Still a Battle for Survival
Friday, September 7, 2012 455 Comments
Apologies for the lack of activity this past few days. I had been expecting a guest blog, but it has failed to materialise thus far. I will endeavour to get that together over the next few days. In the meantine, the moderators would like to thank everyone for their cooperation in keeping some sanity in the face of the recent trolling activity. The self-policing aspect has been admirable over the last few days – as has the level of scrutiny applied to the information which has been coming in.
There have been, understandably, some comments on the blog and elsewhere about a perceived obsesssion here with Rangers and their offspring. Whilst I agree that the focus of this community should have a wider perspective, I don’t think it is obsessional to engage with the big story of the day – in fact it is neccessary that we do so.
Ultimately though TSFM’s longevity will depend on our ability to look at the wider issues, and that is at the top of our minds. We have recently been approached by some people about the possibility of our creating and publicising our own Scottish Football Financial Secrecy League in line with that created a while back for Christian Aid. That may give us some credibility as a watchdog, and utilise the expertise that many contributors have offered so freely in the past.
Right now though the new Rangers show is still headlining, and it is of interest, in the light of the impending share issue, whether the economics of running the new Rangers is really as precariously balanced as has been claimed by some of our number.
If our supsicions of Charles Green’s motives are correct, then we are bound to demonstrate why we think the share issue could be a device to either pay off Ticketus, or Green’s investors to the detriment of the fans.
If the new club’s finances are as precarious as has been stated, then it would point to the share issue being used as a cut and run exercise; but I am not at all convinced of that precariousness.
For example, I don’t accept that The Rangers are paying players an average weekly wage of even as much as £2500. I suspect that the actual figure is considerably less than that, and I hear that basic salaries for the higher quality new players is nearer the £1500 a week mark, with considerably less being offered to the younger guys. Of course performance bonuses would be added to that, but if my figure is correct, Green has a considerable amount of headroom to pay those bonuses.
On the other hand, Green will not have the sponsorship bucks, the media cash, or the prize money that old Rangers would have taken for granted, so there is a defecit there. It may also be of interest to see whether the reported figures for ST sales can be verified. I don’t think it would be churlish for Rangers fans to demand proof of that success before stumping up for a share or two, but one would have to say that reported high figures may well influence an investment decision – and in spite of those impressive numbers (35,000 STs sold) private investors still remain in hiding. It is at times like these that Adam would be an invaluable asset, bringing as he did an alternative and forensic accounting perspective to the somewhat wishful thinking of our non-Rangers tendency 🙂
If the success of Charles Green’s project is determined solely by how much money he makes, then it is in the interest of Rangers fans that any plans to line his own pockets via a share issue (if that is really his intention) are exposed. If Green’s accusers are correct (and let’s not forget that Rangers diehards like John Brown are among their number), then we would have to assume that his biggest success yet has been to get the bears onside, buying imprssively high numbers of STs, after the initial hostility he faced.
Rangers fans who have involved themsleves in critical thinking over the matter will know that some serious damage to the new club will be the result if Green is allowed to pull off any such scam, but they will also know that if he is genuinely invested in the well-being of the club, he is probably their best hope.
That is the dilemma they face.
All talk of stripping titles and history is a red-herring. The real problem for new Rangers is not lost titles or trophy notches on an Ibrox crossbar. It is, as it has been all summer long for old Rangers, survival.
Maybe this will help the coating debate?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8688093.stm
‘According to European football’s governing body Uefa, Spain had almost 15,000 Uefa A and Pro Licence coaches in 2008 – more than double the number of any other European nation. And that is despite it taking 750 study hours to acquire a Pro Licence in Spain, compared with just 245 in England.
“The federation has really focused on getting people qualified and to the level where they can go to other countries and coach,” says Calvo. “It’s not just in professional football, it runs right through the system. You have to have the same qualification to work in schools as you do to work in the top division.
UEFA A & PRO COACHES
SPAIN ——————– 14,860
GERMANY —————- 6,570
FRANCE ——————- 2,588
ITALY ———————– 1,810
NETH’NDS —————– 1,137
ENGLAND —————– 1,010’
campsiejoe on September 9, 2012 at 21:37
Sorry to hear that.
l am ten years your junior and can’t do it any longer. I went to watch a kids game last week and just wanted to ask the coach if l could work with his keeper as he look not bad but most importantly he was dead keen. As l was told he didn’t get any coaching wanted to offer to help but couldn’t.
campsiejoe says:
September 9, 2012 at 21:30
‘..their awareness of what is going on around them, ‘
—–That is the key.
It enables them to be where they need to be to take delivery, control the ball, and decide ( by reference to their-second-by-second mental map of where everybody is) which option to choose ( including taking a man on or evading a tackle) with maybe even a full second or two in hand.
If you ally that with the phenomenal degree of trust that the Barcas of the world have that their team-mates will likewise be where they ought to be in any given permutation, every second of a game,any player’s game will improve.
smallteaser says:
September 9, 2012 at 21:48
Sounds pretty much like what we’ve been doing for decades, Hugh.
Do you not think there is a problem in skills?
Isn’t it a problem that Johnny Russell, one of the best young Scottish players right now, has no right foot?
When it comes to kids coaching he most important thing to remember is it is a wee boy with a ball and a dream you are working with, not a professional player. Neil Armstong’s father was asked by the media after the moon landing what it was like to have raised a hero he said he didn’t raise a hero he raised a son.
Welcome back, Angus!
Great links, Night Terror – thank you.
smallteaser @ 21:48
I can’t disagree with that, because as you point out with your examples, you’ve either got the skill or you haven’t, and no amount of coaching will make you skillful
Players still have to be coached as to what to do with that skill, how best to use it
You talk about formations, but what formations did the most successful club and international sides play
They may have had a nominal formation, but it was totally fluid, because players were taught to think, and didn’t stick rigidly to formations as we do today
I guess we just see things differently, and we will probably never agree on this
Cortes says:
September 9, 2012 at 22:05
They’re interesting, aren’t they?
I was stunned when I first came across Cathro, he just seems to be right about the important things on many levels and is able to talk about it brilliantly.
I have some background in personal development, coaching etc and he at 22 was far more mature and considered in his opinions than mangers up to quite senior levels in big companies.
Night Terror says:
September 9, 2012 at 21:58
Isn’t it a problem that Johnny Russell, one of the best young Scottish players right now, has no right foot?
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Really?
It’sagoal! says:
September 9, 2012 at 20:19
‘.Also Andrew Smith in Scotland on Sunday had a nice sideswipe at the corrupt Scottish Sun for not publishing book about Rangers(ia) Downfall because of alleged bogitry- but keeping Andy Goram as a columnist..’
—-Yes, I thought that was an interesting example of extreme inconsistency on the part of the Sun.And well done Andrew Smith for mentioning it.
It’sagoal! says:
September 9, 2012 at 20:19
Also Andrew Smith in Scotland on Sunday had a nice sideswipe at the corrupt Scottish Sun for not publishing book about Rangers(ia) Downfall because of alleged bogitry- but keeping Andy Goram as a columnist!
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I once got a mention in his column for suggesting Mark McGhee and Imhotep from The Mummy films as lookalikes. 🙂
Him and Aidan Smith in SoS are highly readable, and obviously East coast journalists with no wish to pander to our friends in the West. Truth be told, SoS is the only Sunday paper I read – and that mostly for the fitba reports and columns, which generally lack an OF undercurrent.
Night Terror says:
September 9, 2012 at 22:19
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Yes, very interesting posts, and thank you for them. What is Cathro doing now? I’m afraid I am singularly backward about the non-playing aspects of the football scene.
Just checking back, I knew something was missing this morning when catching up on the TSFM, the Sunday morning papers did not arrive.
Haste ye back Stunney.
Could we ask the Sun to explain this one away.
Ian Cathro left SFA post late May 2012 to take up post as assistant coach at Rio Ave in Portuguese first division..Headhunted.
First moderated post haha… Moronic me!
Cortes says:
September 9, 2012 at 22:46
‘..Ian Cathro left SFA post late May 2012’
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So there’s more wrong with our Blazers than rules irregularities-total lack of imagination and ability to get rid of hide-bound thinking!
Castofthousands says:
September 9, 2012 at 18:47
Rangers fans and staff are currently suffering a bereavement.
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Absolutely spot on and explains much of what has happened since it became clear RFC were dying
At first I thought their odd behavior was something to do with a deep rooted WATP arrogance surfacing in response to losing the respect of the rest of us
But your analogy is much more sensible. It explains why otherwise intelligent people are not only willing to believe nonsense but are backing it with their money. Perhaps they get comfort by uniting around a dead thing and trooping round the symbols and places associated with it. However to persist in believing a death hasn`t happened is surely storing up trouble for the future. One can`t help wondering how ex RFC fans will respond to an unsubsidised Sevco in the fututre. By remaining in the denial phase they are holding back the anger phase. One can only hope it is directed at the Spivs currently lining them up for a fund raising.
Perhaps the fundraising itself will bring them into the real world. It`s one thing to buy a 3rd div season ticket when the cost is low. However digging deep for a couple of grand is quite another matter. I suspect Green will say whatever ex RFC fans want to hear. He might even tell them the money is a Sevco war chest for Europe
However
Buying a 3rd div season ticket is largely a personal decision. Spending upwards of £2k usually needs discussion with others That’s when economic realities come into play.
I sincerely hope these fans don`t throw away their hard earned money simply to enable Spivs to walk away. But if they do they will deserve to lose their investment
There is none so blind as those who won`t see
Cortes, welcome to the ‘Moderati’. And thanks for the info on Ian Cathro. Must follow him up.
With the 3 ‘Honourable men’ meeting on Tuesday and Wednesday to look over the EBT issue, will there be any news for us to digest this week or do we expect another delay.
jammy dodger says:
September 9, 2012 at 18:13
StevieBC says:
September 9, 2012 at 16:20
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Perhaps we should support the preference of FIFA to have only one UK FA?
That’s one sure way to get the blazers turfed out!…
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The answer to a corrupt SFA is NOT a merger with the English FA. The answer to a corrupt SFA, …can be sorted out by the clubs at any time…The answer to painful Scotland performances is to improve the standard of Scottish football…
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Thanks JD – it’s not my preferred choice, but could be an option nonetheless.
I don’t see anything which encourages me that there will be a clearout in the SFA.
I have not seen any evidence in the last 20+ years that Scottish football is improving.
And subsequently linked to;
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
September 9, 2012 at 18:38
The sfa/spl/sfl will continue to do nothing until the clubs force action…
We are being ignored. Without action this is a talking shop…
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We are vocal about the shortcomings of the SFA, but currently I can’t see any positives.
A few posters have suggested a polite, positive email campaign but there seems to be a lack of appetite on this site, ‘TSFM’ included.
So what do we do to get the message across that the SFA is not serving the Scottish fans ?
campsiejoe says:
September 9, 2012 at 22:07
They may have had a nominal formation, but it was totally fluid, because players were taught to think, and didn’t stick rigidly to formations as we do today
I guess we just see things differently, and we will probably never agree on this
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CJ, no issues, no rights no wrongs, just a different viewpoint.
As for Johny Russell like most other in Scotland he would never have been encouraged to use his other foot.
It has been noticeable over the last season or so that Charlie Mulgrew now believes he can hit with his right foot, I can only guess that he has worked hard at this, unlike a lot of other professionals who make the first team and think they know everything. Maybe leaving Celtic did him the world of good and taught him to continue working on his skills .
timtim @ 1201.
Brilliant post. It reminded me of how things were in the early days of RTC and other blogs and websites which were beginning to expose the disgraceful state of a member club and it’s relationship with the governing body.
I cannot recall the contributor’s name, but one person who fought long and hard on behalf of the former club was very confident that Rangers would come out of it with little harm done.
He/she was confident that the then board would engage in a “fire fighting” mode and deal with each problem as it arose. He/she seemed quite well connected and informed of their position.
It seems to me that the entire Fire Service has been brought to bear to try and control the conflagration.
The most disturbing situation to arise from the demise of a football club has been the threat to freedom of speech and an irrational fear of the followers of that club.
The fact that a bookshop in Glasgow is afraid to display a book because of threats and a tabloid withdraws a serialisation of that book is shocking.
Just read the “Herald” interview with Ian Cathro, He nailed it when he said you can’t give up playing one day and then walk into the coaches office the next, Just because you have a licence does’nt make you suitable for coaching kids of 9/11 yrs or 12/14 yrs.The system has failed us in the past and is still failing us today.
StevieBC says:
September 9, 2012 at 23:15
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Agree with the email suggestion. We need to let the blazers in the corrupt corridors of Hampden know that we are watching them. The mail could also be sent to the various supporter groups who could then forward it on to their clubs to make them aware of TSFM site.
I would love to see Spence or Cosgrove write a piece on here, but could you imagine the reaction they would receive from the newco followers.
How about a brief polite mail to Hampden explaining who we are etc a site set up to monitor the correct running of Scottish Football to make sure there is transparancy and correct application of the rules without fear of favour. We could end the mail by saying…..
“Could you possibly provide us with the details of the 5 way agreement regarding the newco. Thanks your friends in the TSFM”
Whats that nurse? Bedtime already……
The Waddell piece in the Record on Green is poor. Waddell talks about Greens pathetic, victim, rambles as if they are some kind of clever marketing act.
You would have to be a complete moron not to know what he is doing, and just how easy it is to stir a reaction from a reactionary fan base. He simply repeated something that has been spouted from Ibrox for a very long time.
Craig Whyte used near enough the exact same phrases and got the same reaction just as easily. Anyone with a braincell knew Green would go down this route, just as Walters Consortium would have, as would Bill Ng, Miller.
Waddell and others should be reporting on this for what it is, a disgusting manipulation of a reactionary group of people for profit. Just like Mcoists “who are these people” rant, these men are putting peoples safety at risk by behaving like this.
Nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 9, 2012 at 19:59
From celticfcblog on KDS
There is something decidedly dodgy [sic] about this new Rangers contest offering their fans the chance to win £1million if they hit the crossbar from the halfway line….
The website page suggests that the contest is being organised by Matador Sports.
There is no such company…
But the contact address for Customer Services is given as: Call Centre Sales Scotland Ltd., First Floor, 1 Dukes Road, Troon KA10 6QR.
Again, there is no such company as Call Centre Sales Scotland Ltd…
All in all, I’m sure there’s nothing for Rangers fans to worry about.
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Why are the Sevco fans not all over this, demanding to know who are these people and ‘companies’ ?
Why is it – still – being left to supposedly ‘Cetic fans obsessed with Sevco’ to ask the pertinent questions ?
Good spot NOAG.
Are the Rangers’ players’ wages really that low? I’ve been following the story from a distance, and given the quality of players that have transferred over, I assumed they must have been paid close to the previous wages, so I find that a little hard to believe.
Still, I’ve been following the overall Rangers story closely enough to know that the mainstream Scottish Media’s reporting has been shocking, so I’m fully behind the principle of this blog.
Don’t shoot the messenger: from VB site, but could be interesting/or disinformation… (?)
“…VB Admin have been reliably informed that senior employees of bookmaker William Hill were astounded to hear that S.P.L Chairman Ralph Topping, HAS IN FACT BEEN RE-ELECTED TO THE BOARD.
One wonders if this is a direct snub to the SFL as last year for the first time in the history of the game no representative was on the board…
a member of VB Admin was informed that the S.F.A were out to show who runs Scottish football and that the people who opposed them would be kept out of office. At this point our man was told that Campbell Ogilvie was reminded of his support by the rest of the board over his involvement in the Rangers EBT case and did in fact give his casting vote against the Football League official…
· Are the S.F.A really so corrupt as to keep S.F.L members off the board as they and their member clubs had the audacity to go against your plans for Rangers in the first division?
Would it not make sense to have the thirty other clubs represented on the S.F.A?
Or is it the case as was reported to us that a boastful, power hungry and ambitious adjutant in the corridors of power stated that the S.F.L WILL BE DEAD BY THE END OF THE SEASON AND THE RECONSTRUCTION WILL GO AHEAD?…”
Webster says:
September 9, 2012 at 15:13
We only need to look back in recent history to note that there is an element with society who should you dare speak up against their club would happily scrape the paintwork on your car, put a brick through your window, threaten you and your family, send you threating mail and even assault you. So in a way we have to have some sympathy for players, managers and those within the MSM who feel it’s better to sit on the fence or stay stum for the sake of a more relaxed and peaceful existence.
Would anyone be brave enough to post a You Tube video on the recent shenanigans without dressing like a Mexican Policeman at a press conference!! There’s an option to get the message over to the masses regarding the SFA and the Rangers a TSFM video and it should not be a take this piss video of which there are so many, purely the facts laid bare. I’d be happy to provide the balaclavas. lol
Reposted: for ‘h*ngry’, d’oh!
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Don’t shoot the messenger: from VB site, but could be interesting/or disinformation… (?)
“…VB Admin have been reliably informed that senior employees of bookmaker William Hill were astounded to hear that S.P.L Chairman Ralph Topping, HAS IN FACT BEEN RE-ELECTED TO THE BOARD.
One wonders if this is a direct snub to the SFL as last year for the first time in the history of the game no representative was on the board…
a member of VB Admin was informed that the S.F.A were out to show who runs Scottish football and that the people who opposed them would be kept out of office. At this point our man was told that Campbell Ogilvie was reminded of his support by the rest of the board over his involvement in the Rangers EBT case and did in fact give his casting vote against the Football League official…
· Are the S.F.A really so corrupt as to keep S.F.L members off the board as they and their member clubs had the audacity to go against your plans for Rangers in the first division?
Would it not make sense to have the thirty other clubs represented on the S.F.A?
Or is it the case as was reported to us that a boastful, power hungry and ambitious adjutant in the corridors of power stated that the S.F.L WILL BE DEAD BY THE END OF THE SEASON AND THE RECONSTRUCTION WILL GO AHEAD?…”
tevieBC says:
September 9, 2012 at 23:48
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Nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 9, 2012 at 19:59
From celticfcblog on KDS
There is something decidedly dodgy [sic] about this new Rangers contest offering their fans the chance to win £1million if they hit the crossbar from the halfway line….
The website page suggests that the contest is being organised by Matador Sports.
There is no such company…
But the contact address for Customer Services is given as: Call Centre Sales Scotland Ltd., First Floor, 1 Dukes Road, Troon KA10 6QR.
Again, there is no such company as Call Centre Sales Scotland Ltd…
All in all, I’m sure there’s nothing for Rangers fans to worry about.
Hang on, isn’t this what this blog is about?
I’m onto this, who else?
Teeth in.
I remember listening to a BBC interview with one of he Celtic youth coaches who was asked if it was true if he told one of his players that if the team got a penalty he was to take it with his weaker foot. He replied that that was correct as it was about the players development not about winning the game.
I just googled that post code and it would appear to be a building called Avid House and Avid would appear to be a recruitment company or head hunters
bangordub says:
September 10, 2012 at 00:13
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September 9, 2012 at 23:48
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Nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 9, 2012 at 19:59
It would appear that there is a call centre company located at the address mentioned.
Call Centre Sales Ltd
1b Dukes Road
Troon, South Ayrshire
KA10 6QR
General enquiries: 01292 553080
Main Email: info@callcentresales.co.uk
Well I think wherever this information that Call Centre Sales Ltd did not exist is talking nonesense
http://www.ayrshirepost.net/ayrshire-news/local-news-ayrshire/ayr-news/2011/08/19/call-centre-creating-40-new-jobs-in-prestwick-and-troon-102545-29251371/
Callcentresales (Scotland) Ltd seems to be the company referred to on the Crossbar Challenge website.
This claims the company organising it is Strathan Limited – a Dissolved company previously run by the Gallagher construction clan in Sollihull, Midlands.
But it seems the real people behind it are Matador Sports (not a registered company), which is linked to a bunch of liquidated website firms.
Jacqueline Doherty, previously of Matador Creative and Matador Digital, both of which are dissolved, has been boasting about it on Twitter.
Get dialling and texting now. Only £1.50 a time if you know the answer to this question:
Where do Rangers play: Tynecastle, Ibrox or Hampden?
Closing date in April 30, 2013 (honest, all this is true!).
At which time the true answer will be revealed: Nowhere; because they don’t exist any more.
They must think Rangers fans are stupid.
I reckon they’ll make a fortune.
Maybe it’s a trick question … Ground sharing wi QP … Or amalgamated wi HMFC after Vlad does a copycat version to wipe out their eh .. debt to himself ?. ( beneficial ? Who can possibly say ) … Or playing at Ibrox …. In the Car Park ? … Ayes / Naws ? ….. Yeeha ! … Ah hear a bulldoze coming …. Ah rollin round the bend …… Ooops am gettin carried away noo … Aff fir a week like eh !
From the Callcentresales website:
“The organisation sells gas, electricity and BT services through its highly trained sales team.
It is employed by other businesses to tele-market and sell their products.”
Paid spruikers; not behind anything.
Just watched Alex M’s goals on Sunday interview, I am assuming his EBT was legal in the eyes of the SFA/SPL due to the fact that he wasn’t a player. Is that correct?
Johnboy says:
September 10, 2012 at 01:04
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Callcentresales (Scotland) Ltd seems to be the company referred to on the Crossbar Challenge website.
This claims the company organising it is Strathan Limited – a
Dissolved company previously run by the Gallagher construction clan in Sollihull, Midlands.
But it seems the real people behind it are Matador Sports (not a registered company), which is linked to a bunch of liquidated
website firms.
Jacqueline Doherty, previously of Matador Creative and Matador
Digital, both of which are dissolved, has been boasting about it on Twitter.
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I can see a possible flaw in the plan. Judging by some earlier tweets, Jacqueline would appear to be a Celtic fan…
Jacqueline Doherty @jaqmdor 21 Aug
@kevinbridges86 cmon da hoops x
Jacqueline Doherty @jaqmdor 07 Apr
Well done Celtic brillant
A roofing firm…..stately home….not paid….resolved after the Daily Record took up the case.
Surprise surprise, it wasn’t One Stop Roofing.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/record-wins-southwest-roofing-services-1315771
Noonebutabloghead
Like you I think the idea that the best of the rest of the SPL players who have joined Sevco have done so for for £1,500 per week, the chance to play at Ibrox and be part of a big adventure, risible. A few Rangers fans have tried to suggest the same to me, without any convincing argument as to why they’d want to play in Div 4, other than for money.
Footballers are coin operated largely, the idea that these players, some joining from Italy an even Brazil aren’t on decent money, doesn’t make any sense.
Sally himself it wasn’t his job to worry about the finance side of Sevco, which suggests Green has ‘splashed out’ on the Bears Credit Card, again.
The guys on KDS have been checking the rules of “The Crossbar Challenge:
“I don’t know if you’ve looked at the T&Cs, Celticfcblog, but that comes up with another couple of gems”.
It seems that this is being run by “Strathan Limited” and the only company of that name that I can find is dissolved.
Then it states “The first entry drawn at random from all eligible entries who have answered the question correctly will win the prize.” THE prize. So out of all the phone and text fees, only one person will have (presumably) ONE chance to hit the crossbar for £1m.
And in the unlikely event that this happens, Green and Co will have laid off this tiny risk for a small fee with a risk counterparty.
It also says “Email – Please send in your answer either A, B or C followed by your name. There is no charge for email entries”. But this little fact isn’t mentioned anywhere else that I can see. I wonder if email entries will be included in the draw at the end of the season?
But seriously, how can Strathan Limited (dissolved) be the final arbiters in this competition?
Quote:
8. All decisions of Strathan Limited will be final and binding. No correspondence will be entered into.
So the plan is,hopefully thousands phone in at £1.50 a time but only one will be picked.
This will be repeated at every home game,especially the last where one lucky winner could net £1m.
Hope this works.Matador Sports page.It also carries Celtic,motherwell end Newcastle logos on their Crossbar Challenge ad.
I assume these clubs know about this.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A0hNcurCcAAxI7q.jpg:large
smallteaser says:
September 9, 2012 at 23:19
So, if you’re right about Mulgrew (why wouldn’t you be??!?) then it’s proof that you can coach for skills.
MATADOR PARTNERS LLP
Registration Number: SO303140
Registered Office:
11 CHARLOTTE SQUARE, EDINBURGH, EH2 4DR
Date of Incorporation: 15 Dec 2010
Latest Annual Return: 15 Dec 2011 Accounts Reference Date: 31 Dec
Date Accounts Lodged: 06 Sep 2012 Issued Capital:
Latest Filed Accounts Date: 31 Dec 2011 [New accounts have been filed.] Next Accounts Due Date: 30 Sep 2013
Directors:
Sir David Murray
Keith Andrew Murray
David Douglas Murray
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Not suggesting anything, probably just a coincidence namewise
Night Terror says:
September 10, 2012 at 08:35
So, if you’re right about Mulgrew (why wouldn’t you be??!?) then it’s proof that you can coach for skills.
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I think the old golf adage ” the more I practise, the luckier I get” argument comes in here. I suspect CM practised with his right foot rather than was coached how to use it.
smallteaser says:
September 10, 2012 at 09:18
The two aren’t mutually exclusive, you know.
Don’t you think having a coach who has studied a wide range of technique and training methods would make a player’s practice more effective?
I thought dave king did,nt want to be minty’s friend anymore?
MURRAY SPORTS LIMITED
Appointment Date: 21/01/1999
Position: Director
Occupation: Metal Trader
Company Status: Active
Address:
10 CHARLOTTE SQUARE
EDINBURGH
EH2 4DR
GB
Directors and Secretaries
Mr David Cunningham King
Sir David Edward Murray
Mr Michael Scott McGill
Mr David William Murray Horne
Company Accounts:
To view financial summary login
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I may have missed it but was it announced in public that DK resigned from RFC(IA)?
RFC 2012 P.L.C. In Administration (Director Resigned 01/06/2012)
O/T
Coaching is one thing, but philosophy is the key. What way do we wish our game to be played.
If some youth team attempted to play the ‘Barca way’, or the ‘Ajax way’ on a Sat morning they would, without any protection from the officials, be kicked off the park and called nancy boys. We play the game, at the very top, the Scottish way. We pass the ball maybe three times and then attempt a dodgy or crazy pass with the obvious result. The fans don’t really want the Barca way they want the up and at them mentality. The other factor that’s seldom mentioned is the climate. It would be suicide to play the ‘Barca way’ in the conditions we experience in Scotland in winter,
and even summer!!
Just some thoughts – head down.
Senior says:
September 10, 2012 at 10:15
Been to Holland at different times of the year. Weather was never great. Similar to here.
Spain is hot and sticky but the Barca players seem to be able to run and run and run.
Climate is no excuse.
People keep saying it is simply about pass and move but that is our problem. The ball is like a hot potato at times, the pass is often poor and the runs or movement not up to scratch.
Many of our players do not look comfortable on the ball therefore when pressured the pass is poor or it is humph it up the park.
As someone said earlier the difference is the continential players quickness of thought. They can pass accurately but when pressured they don’t panic as much and appear to have quickerfeet to get out of trouble. Often the continual movement of others gives them multiple options and they adapt quickly.
Roland Brown @ 10:14am
LOL he’ll slap into them! Deserve all that’s coming to them 🙂
Senior says:
September 10, 2012 at 10:15
Writing this bit at the very moment.
The problems are simple – the range of coaching provided isn’t wide enough, the money going into youth development isn’t high enough and the standard of play young players breaking through play around isn’t high enough. The solutions are the harder thing.
If you look at St Mirren, who are a good little club, you go on their website and their coaching staff consist of 4 men, one of whom is a goalkeeping coach, and there are two others not listed on the site so six people looking after 28 first team players and a youth development squad. None of the coaches aren’t British and only one of them (Tommy Craig) has ever played league football to a decent standard outside of Scotland.
Our young players are being taught by people who have no experience of coaching or playing outside of a wholly UK outlook, It’s no surprise players look uncomfortable on the ball when the culture of football they have been taught (and the men teaching them have been taught) is agricultural at best.
The words of Orange Juice are the most relevant on this, as they seem to be always this year – rip it up and start again.
Senior says:
September 10, 2012 at 10:15
Writing this bit at the very moment.
The problems are simple – the range of coaching provided isn’t wide enough, the money going into youth development isn’t high enough and the standard of play young players breaking through play around isn’t high enough. The solutions are the harder thing.
If you look at St Mirren, who are a good little club, you go on their website and their coaching staff consist of 4 men, one of whom is a goalkeeping coach, and there are two others not listed on the site so six people looking after 28 first team players and a youth development squad. None of the coaches aren’t British and only one of them (Tommy Craig) has ever played league football to a decent standard outside of Scotland.
Our young players are being taught by people who have no experience of coaching or playing outside of a wholly UK outlook, It’s no surprise players look uncomfortable on the ball when the culture of football they have been taught (and the men teaching them have been taught) is agricultural at best.
Night Terror says:
September 10, 2012 at 08:35
So, if you’re right about Mulgrew (why wouldn’t you be??!?) then it’s proof that you can coach for skills.
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I’ve always thought you can, indeed must. In ye olden times kids learned skills in the street, in the park, in the playground, often playground where trying to dribble past 100 other kids enhanced your skills. This isn’t maybe the best way to learn but when you had millions of kids doing it you still developed a lot of talent.
But note: you must be aware of the old story about Jimmy Johnstone – as a kid – as well as the usual games – he used to practice by himself, bouncing a ball off a wall and controllinig it from all different angles and stuff like that.
Nowadays kids need coaching – but also playing because they need to learn how to use the skill properly – and the problem is there isn’t enough of either of adequate quality (because of few good coaches and too many mad parents and bad coaches demanding “commitment” and effort instead of letting the skills develop.
What is innate is of course physical and mental attributes. A kid isn’t born with football skills but speed, reactions, natural balance and innate confidence are the things which give one kid a better chance of being a top footballer than another kid. You can’t teach these although you can improve them if they’re there already.
Another insipid,pathetic display from the national team I was not expecting anything better.
Oh how scottish football is in great hands from the corrupt shameless sfa to a totally negative manager.
I have more chance of playing in the Ryder Cup,than Scotland have got of reaching the final stage of the World Cup
Question/query
Has anyone got an exact timeline of
Sevco Scotland Ltd – applying for SFA and SFL membership, “conditional” membership being granted and associate membership being granted
Did they apply as Sevco Scotland ltd or THE Rangers FC Ltd?
When did Sevco change it’s name to THE Rangers FC (before or after the brechin game)
What are the SFA/SFL rules on clubs changing their names? Notifications required, can it be done mid season?
Can anyone confirm that the players of Rangers FC (IA)PLC who DID Tupe over were then registered with Sevco Scotland
I would imagine that a name change of a solvent company (sevco to The rangers) doesn’t require all of the players to be re-registered, so long as the name change is registered and the players were registered before the name change.
so, couple of questions
1. Have any players walked away from Sevco/The Rangers since playing Brechin? Why no transfer? Were they registered at all?
Is there any way possible that the SFA would confirm that the Sevco players were ALL registered as being Sevco players before the brechin game?
2. Are clubs allowed to change their name mid season?
A battle for objectivity is underway on Amazon – its amazing how many biased reviews about Downfall are being posted, to the extent that it appears as if there is a concerted campaign to discourage people from buying the book and making their own mind up about events on the financial collapse of RFC.
I’m surprised at the number of 1 star votes being handed out – I thought fans of RFC(IA)/Sevco were fans of 5 stars, or perhaps they are getting used to working with less than 5 😉
Can you pass the parcel with the history of a club?
Like
RFC(IA) “selling” their history to Sevco 88 Ltd
Then
Sevco 88 Ltd “selling ” their history to Sevco Scotland Ltd
Just wondering like
Wouldn’t it be something if Craig Whyte won the crossbar challenge?
I am a (recently retired) kids fitba coach of..10years.
Within my region more & more team/clubs are being allowed to hold trials..why is this being permitted..?where the “coaches”cherrypick the “biggest” players available with height being prefered.There are particular clubs where these types of shenanigans are obvious,local boys-local team..no chance !!
Tallest & most physical players being prefered,with team lines often showing only 1 or 2 local addresses ?
Richard Wilson (@timomouse) says:
September 10, 2012 at 11:17
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If you look at St Mirren, who are a good little club, you go on their website and their coaching staff consist of 4 men, one of whom is a goalkeeping coach, and there are two others not listed on the site so six people looking after 28 first team players and a youth development squad. None of the coaches aren’t British and only one of them (Tommy Craig) has ever played league football to a decent standard outside of Scotland.
Our young players are being taught by people who have no experience of coaching or playing outside of a wholly UK outlook, It’s no surprise players look uncomfortable on the ball when the culture of football they have been taught (and the men teaching them have been taught) is agricultural at best.
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Oh Dear!!
You really really should do your research before speculating
Have you seen the football St.Mirren are trying to play under Lennon?
Have you seen the youngsters St.Mirren are bringing throu since they got their own training ground/facilities?
Was sir Alex Ferguson a great player before becoming a great coach/manager?
Do your research beforehand…..saves a red face
BartinMain says:
September 10, 2012 at 12:43
Wouldn’t it be something if Craig Whyte won the crossbar challenge?
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I’m sure if he had a go, and the ball was going well off the mark, Ogilvie, Regan & Doncaster would be happy to move the goal posts………..and if necessary, the bar…………..
It’s what they do…………..
I’m a Youth coach at U14, with a team playing second division football. I don’t coach my own son, so this is for the love of the game.
Until such time as we avoid playing competitive 11 a side football until 15, then we’ll get nowhere. We should be playing 9 aside, on 3 quarter pitches, until that time, with no competitive League, though I’d accept one or even two Cups per year, a Winter Cup and a Spring Cup say, either side of a Winter Break. There’s no Winter Break in my Region, just plenty of Sunday’s with either water-logged or frozen pitches.
Competitive football is mostly designed to allow Coaches and (some) Parents to live vicariously.
It does very, very little to develop young players into young footballers. The biggest and strongest players are ‘poached’ by the biggest and strongest Clubs, lured by the thought of winning trophies and medals. The biggest Clubs are never content, even at U13, to grow their own, to develop boys; they want the very best, as early as possible, even if that kid has been at another Club for years.
The SFA player pathway would suggest that Development is done up to the age of 11 (U12) playing 7 asides. However Clubs like Tynecastle, even avoid this and I know for a fact that their 2001 squad is already playing 11 aside games now so that they are ‘competitive’ at U13.
The SFA talk, disengenously, about keeping kids in the game, about late developers, but they do everything to encourage the opposite, teams and leagues administered by willing volunteers all geared up for ‘competition’. And yet when I watched (some of) the game on Saturday I thought it was dire; as a Nation we have the Coach our game and Administration deserve.
I hear that the ball to be used in the crossbar challenge is a medicine ball 😀
I live in a country where the football team does ‘punch above its weight.’ The sporting facilities are excellent all year long. Throughout the summer, I’ve watched kids playing in public parks complete with first class pitches, goal-posts (and bars) – and nets.
I noticed the last time I was back in Scotland that the first thing many local councils do when the schools break for the summer, is remove the goal posts and nets from public parks!
That speaks volumes.
Doon the slope says:
September 10, 2012 at 13:57
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Whereabouts in England are you dts?
SpecialsWon
Lol! That’s just not cricket!
Disappointing news from St Mirren that the fans bid to buy control of the club has been rejected