Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol? (3)

Another excellent piece by Glasnost.

Glasnost (and a Pair of strikers)

As Ally McCoist today defends himself against a charge of  ‘bringing the game into disrepute’, for challenging the independence of the Disciplinary Tribunal and the ‘anonymity’ of its members, we ask: to what extent is he right?

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1,574 Responses to Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol? (3)

  1. StevieBC says:

    As some have already touched on re: financing Sevco’s working capital requirements over the season.

    Can anyone confirm if Sevco now has ‘normal’ relations with a high street bank – including overdraft and loan facilities ?

    Assuming not, then would a proposed share issue not lose credibility before it has even started within the City ?

  2. Alex Cox says:

    WOTTPI says:
    September 7, 2012 at 16:14

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    If they have managed to half the costs (not including wages) then the bill will be £7m or more. Given they still have to run Ibrox, Murray Park, pay policing costs etc.

  3. Arabest says:

    tomtom says:

    I clearly remember watching interviews with Mojo, Bill Mc and M.Kelly, and between the three it was obvious what had happened. Johnston went to what he thought were signing talks with some Celtic directors. (he was playing the football of his life for Nantes and Scotland and to sign him would be a real coup) Upon arrival he was handed a Celtic top and told to give a press conference, when he asked about terms ie 3k per week, he was informed such detail is a mere formality just get out there and tell the world your back home! Following the press conference he had a contract for 600 per week placed in front of him, McM told the directors to honour their original agreement or the deal was off, Celtic refused. McM phoned Souness and who snapped his arm off for the biggest coup ever! Perhaps this does not equate to a lie, but is most certainly falls in the category of a flanker. ‘If you know you’re history’ you will know it is another in a long line of dubious treatment dished out to Celtic greats, why? Because they could! Charlie Nicholas tells a not dissimilar tale of his experience dealing with Celtic, or Jimmy McGrory who was one of the poorest paid in the Celtic squad for a decade after he declined a move to Arsenal.

  4. Long Time Lurker says:

    Apologies if this is viewed as OT.

    Just received a text from Waterstones – the copy of Downfall that I had ordered is in and has been collected.

  5. Nowoldandgrumpy says:

    easyJambo on September 7, 2012 at 15:57
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    Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug
    Dual contracts hearing will kickstart next week. Procedural hearing on Tuesday and Wednesday. No evidence to be heard yet. #Rangers
    =================================
    Some movement at last
    ——–

    Got excited and even considered that the FTT might have ruled.
    Then I saw who tweeted it.
    So I will wait for a second confirmation.

  6. Long Time Lurker says:

    Shame on AT – in the introduction to Downfall (which is excellent, hard hitting) he gives “Duff and Duffer” a mention, without providing the correct copyright acknowledgement that we have become accustomed to seeing both here and on RTC.

  7. jonny says:

    Long Time Lurker says:
    September 7, 2012 at 16:59
    Shame on AT – in the introduction to Downfall (which is excellent, hard hitting) he gives “Duff and Duffer” a mention, without providing the correct copyright acknowledgement that we have become accustomed to seeing both here and on RTC.

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    Who does the copyright belong to ,I thought I was the first one to coin the phrase

  8. Calderon says:

    I clearly remember watching interviews with Mojo, Bill Mc and M.Kelly, and between the three it was obvious what had happened.
    _____________________________________

    With respect, you have just cited three of the most unreliable characters on the planet. I think from watching those interviews it would be near impossible to deduce what happened and not at all ‘obvious’.

  9. The Survey says:
    September 7, 2012 at 16:23
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    J Maclure says:
    September 7, 2012 at 16:08
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    ‘The Scottish Football Monitor’

    C’mon , lads , stop the pretence, call it what it is ‘The Rangers Football Monitor right to the nth degree’
    —————————————————–
    … thought this was about the state of Scottish football from primary school right through to teens and above …
    ———-

    At some point you hope it will be. But as long as this story persists it will overshadow everything else. If there is no justice or fairness in Scottish football then there can be no football worthy of anyone’s respect. Why would any primary school kid or teen dream of becoming a professional footballer if the sport is seen to be corrupt at its very heart? Wouldn’t you rather be Andy Murray or Sir Chris Hoy?

  10. Arabest says:

    Calderon says:

    It was a documentary called footballers lives (I think) the picture that emerged was at least ‘obvious’, there was not even any disagreement! Each put their version of events and the viewer could see what happened….good journalism, for a change!

  11. jonny says:

    Just a thought but did the alleged Zurich meeting with CG,CW,DK etc coincide with the disappearance of Bombed Broon.
    If so ,any suggestions as to the agenda at said meeting

  12. john clarke says:

    Nowoldandgrumpy says:
    September 7, 2012 at 16:47
    “easyJambo on September 7, 2012 at 15:57
    5 0 Rate This
    Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug
    Dual contracts hearing will kickstart next week. Procedural hearing on Tuesday and Wednesday. No evidence to be heard yet. #Rangers
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    Some movement at last
    ——–

    Got excited and even considered that the FTT might have ruled.
    Then I saw who tweeted it.
    So I will wait for a second confirmation.

    ——-
    But which feckin Rangers is turning up-RFC(IA) with D&P’s lawyers, or Green with his lawyers? BBC radio Scotland is so bloody uninforming and uninformed.

  13. isnibs says:

    Staggering how Campbell Ogilvie is still in a job.

    http://maleysbhoys.com/2012/09/06/the-campbell-ogilvie-saga-continues/

  14. CW says:

    Dual contract investigation on Tue/ Wed next week ? When do Scotland play ? mmmm !

    Good time to bury bad news ? Somebody’s at it here !

  15. jonny says:

    If I were an investor ,I would invest in any glasgow company that sells WHITEWASH ,something tells me sales are going to go through the roof very soon .

  16. smallteaser says:

    easyJambo says:
    September 7, 2012 at 15:57

    Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug
    Dual contracts hearing will kickstart next week. Procedural hearing on Tuesday and Wednesday.
    =====================================================================
    This being a hearing, will Joe Public be able to hear?
    Will selected members of the MSM be able to hear?
    Will it be behind closed doors, so that no one knows the procedure agreed nor what is being discussed.
    Will it be like the last hearing where the specific remit was never announced only the decision.

    Transparency my ares

  17. iki says:

    smallteaser says:
    September 7, 2012 at 19:34
    Will it be like the last hearing where the specific remit was never announced only the decision.
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    Will it be like the last hearing where the decision was announced, challenged, never reconvened and then amended by negotiation with the guilty party?

    As I said above on another post, disappointed, yes, surprised, not anymore.

  18. Sky News reporting that Cenkos Securities http://www.cenkos.com/ have been appointed by Rangers to assist with plans to raise additional funds.

    Cenkos Securities?

  19. iki says:

    Cenkos?
    https://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/244/comment-page-30/#comments

  20. redetin says:

    StevieBC says:
    September 7, 2012 at 16:24

    As some have already touched on re: financing Sevco’s working capital requirements over the season.

    Can anyone confirm if Sevco now has ‘normal’ relations with a high street bank – including overdraft and loan facilities ?

    Assuming not, then would a proposed share issue not lose credibility before it has even started within the City ?
    __________________________

    The short sellers who specialise in sub-markets like AIM will be all over this share. There is much money to be made from a share issue that dives.

  21. iki says:
    September 7, 2012 at 20:15
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    Cenkos?
    https://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/244/comment-page-30/#comments
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    Thanks iki, just saw it on the ticker, missed those references.

  22. Agrajag says:

    CW says:
    September 7, 2012 at 19:09

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    There will be no way to bury the decision on whether or not Rangers fielded ineligible players for years.

    There will be no way to bury the punishment if they are found guilty.

    In a just World if they are found guilty it will mean changing the record books of Scottish football. It will be huge news either way.

  23. john clarke says:

    redetin says:
    September 7, 2012 at 20:16
    ‘..There is much money to be made from a share issue that dives.’

    ————
    I don’t doubt it . But how?

    I am reminded of Milo’s scam in ‘Catch 22’: is it like that? 🙂

    “I don’t understand why you buy eggs at seven cents a piece in Malta and sell them for five cents.”

    “I do it to make a profit.”

    “But how can you make a profit? You lose two cents an egg.”

    “But I make a profit of three and a quarter cents an egg by selling them at four and a quarter cents an egg to the people in Malta I buy them from for seven cents an egg. Of course, I don’t make the profit. The syndicate makes the profit. And everybody has a share.”

    A btilliant, brilliant book – disappointing film, though. I recommend it to anyone.

  24. WOTTPI says:

    isnibs says:
    September 7, 2012 at 18:58

    No fan of Ogilvie but the amount of his share holding in Rangers was within the rules. However to be morally beyond reproach then he should have dumped them, as opposed to transferring them to his wife, as soon as he took up a position at Hearts. And he and his wife should have certainly got ride of them ASAP when appointed president of the SFA.

  25. stmiley says:

    Think it’s pretty much accepted that Green Rangers need investment to see out the season. A share issue is a serious gamble, but one that which will, almost certainly, have to be taken. I doubt it will raise the level of income required to steady the ship and make administration, this season, a real possibility.

    So what could Green do to prevent it? or, more to the point, what will he be forced to do.

    Will a fire sale in January become inevitable?

    With several players holding a real value and draining the (3rdDivision)clubs resources, will his hand be forced. Whyte has been criticised for not doing it last year or in January. Can Green afford to ignore basic economics?

  26. john clarke says:

    WOTTPI says:
    September 7, 2012 at 20:47
    ‘…..No fan of Ogilvie but the amount of his share holding in Rangers was within the rules. However to be morally beyond reproach then he should have dumped them, as opposed to transferring them to his wife, as soon as he took up a position at Hearts. And he and his wife should have certainly got ride of them ASAP when appointed president of the SFA.’
    —————–
    I think the fact that he did not is symptomatic of what others have described as the ‘arrogance’ of some in the cross-over between SFA and Rangers-as-was. Arrogance is maybe not quite the right word, but it’s near enough to describe that kind of mindset shared by those despicable Westminster swine who couldn’t believe anyone would even think of querying a claim for a duck house or for rent that they weren’t paying.

    ( And, incidentally, you may have noticed that now our bloody MSPs are exhibiting the same kind of self-important attitude in insisting that we should not see the new Holyrood bar that we’ve paid for. Bastards all!)

  27. Agrajag says:

    stmiley says:
    September 7, 2012 at 20:52

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    They could sell and lease back Ibrox Stadium for a short term cash injection, at the cost of long term lease payments.

    That’s assuming there is no pesky security over it already.

    They could sell Murray Park and the land there.

    That’s assuming a potential buyer can be found and they can get planning permission making it a viable purchase.

    If the share issue doesn’t bring in enough to provide funds to keep the business operating those are the most obvious alternatives. A firesale of players is unlikely to bring in substantial sums. Who is there who would bring in millions of pounds, remembering that the player has to agree a contract with the buying club (or is it holding company).

  28. iki says:

    john clarke says:
    September 7, 2012 at 21:10
    I think the fact that he did not is symptomatic of what others have described as the ‘arrogance’ of some in the cross-over between SFA and Rangers-as-was. Arrogance is maybe not quite the right word, ….
    ==============
    I understand the difficulty of choosing quite the right adjective.
    There are the hordes who bellow “We are the people !” and there are those who do not feel the need to do so but they know that they are.

  29. redetin says:

    john clarke says:
    September 7, 2012 at 20:44

    redetin says:
    September 7, 2012 at 20:16
    ‘..There is much money to be made from a share issue that dives.’

    ————
    I don’t doubt it . But how?
    ____________________________________

    Short selling is well established and legal, and is just the converse of the normal long selling that most investors, ie, buy a share at one price and sell it at a higher price, the difference being the profit.

    A short seller sells shares (which he does not yet own) to a broker at a given price. Money goes into the sellers account. The share price falls. The short seller then buys the required number of shares and money leaves the account. The difference between selling and buying is the profit.

    Just google brokers for short selling.

    http://www.investopedia.com/university/shortselling/shortselling1.asp#axzz25ojarLcr

  30. Roland Brown says:

    Press Release: Downfall – How Rangers FC Self-Destructed

    http://frontlinenoir.com/press-release-downfall-how-rangers-fc-self-destructed/

  31. john clarke says:

    TerryONeill says:
    September 7, 2012 at 16:20
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    ‘..On June 18 the Spl issued a statement that as a result of Harper Mcloud’s investigation into payments made to players outside their contracts …….,’
    ————-
    It’s a good job that it was the SPL ( as legally distinct from the SFA) who made that , at the time, very rash statement that punishment was due,without, apparently, any obvious ‘due process having taken place.
    Having done so, it would have been it impossible for them then to carry out a ‘proper’ investigation into the charges against one of their members under their own articles..

    Fortunately, the SFA, did not make any similar statement. Otherwise, they likewise would probably not have been able now to arrange for investigation .

    The ‘accused’ would have been able to argue that they would not get a fair hearing because they had already been found guilty!

    And, probably, the case would have had to be dropped!

    Or is that me trying to too smart at the amateur lawyer bit?

  32. john clarke says:

    redetin says:
    September 7, 2012 at 21:30
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    Grateful, thank you.

  33. Paulmac says:

    Webster says:
    September 7, 2012 at 01:07

    Although born in Scotland have lived most of my life in England.
    Is there any truth in this Bill McMurdo’s claim that:

    “Thomson has joined the disgusting ranks of those who mock one of the worst days in football history by referring to Rangers fans as “Daleks” – a well-known reference in Scotland to the Ibrox Disaster.”

    Is it true that people make this disgusting reference?

    It can’t be true, can it??
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    No it’s not true…I have never in all my 47 years heard that reference..whether it be in a Celtic only pub..or in a heat of the moment rival fan moment…I’ve never even heard the subject being discussed in any shape or form..

    I used to live in Uddingston many years ago and Mr. McMurdo lived about 100 yards away from me…he had the kerb edges painted Red..White and Blue…always had a union flag flying…and wasn’t the most pleasant man to speak to…I would suggest this is one of those created references in order to deflect and reinforce their siege mentality…

    Never in all my life have I heard such a reference..and I’ve heard and seen a lot in my 47 years of life!

  34. TSFM says:

    New post up.

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