Scottish Football and the case for a Bismarck!

Good Evening.

When considering any type of protracted negotiation or discussion that seems to be going on too long, there is a story that is always worth remembering– whether it is actually a true story or not as the case may be.

It is said, that heads of state all met at a congress in what is now modern Germany sometime after the Franco Prussian war of 1870-1871.The entire congress was being run almost singlehandedly by the then Prussian Chancellor Otto von Bismark and he was keen to get all the necessary signatures on paper to seal some deal or other.

However, others at the congress were not too keen to sign up to certain elements of the proposed deal and so they hithered and dithered and in the eyes of Bismark they simply waisted time by concentrating on the minutiae- the little matters, with a view to ensuring their own interests were best served in these small areas– and did not focus on the big issue.

Having tried to talk these others round and educate them in his own beliefs and point of view on the bigger picture without any success, Bismark grew weary of the continuing delay and the posturing of his colleagues. All attempts at reason and diplomacy had failed in his eyes and so he decided to take a different tack.

Accordingly, it is said that whilst others were still inside debating endlessly on this matter or that, Bismark left the building and began simply shooting the windows in with the aid of a riffle which he just happened to have handy.

Those inside were naturally alarmed at this turn of events. They soon forgot about the minutiae under debate, they abandoned the previously expressed self interest and simply signed up so that they could get away from the mad chancellor and his house.

Job done so to speak.

Whilst I do not in anyway condone the behaviour of Otto von Bismark in this instance, and have no doubt that he was an autocrat, what I will say is that he believed that there was too much time being spent on the unimportant stuff and not enough time recognising what really needed doing– from his point of view of course.

Today– and it seems every day for months— we have endless debate about the future of Scottish Football. League reconstruction and the redistribution of footballing wealth has become a marathon– even before it has started.

Yet I believe that at the moment all parties concerned are not focusing on the radical reform that is fundamentally needed which is the creation of one, strong, properly structured and constituted body which is capable of the proper and ethical governance of Scottish Football and the business that surrounds football.

No matter what system you try, or distribution you agree, without proper sensible strong governance you are wasting your time.

Further, whatever body is set up, and whoever is chosen to be its CEO (or whatever the head honcho is going to be called), they must tackle the issue of corporate and fiscal compliance and the proper administration of any body corporate which actively takes part in Scottish Football– and that includes any such body or person who is involved in the running of a member club.

In addition, in so dealing with any corporate malfeasance or chicanery or whatever, the rules have to be applied with a rod of iron by an iron body.

As we can now clearly see, Football clubs and football in general is not, and never will be, immune from the effects of bad corporate governance and on occasion downright manipulation of facts, figures and contracts.

Whilst great play has been made of the fact that Gavin Masterton has handed over his shares in Dunfermline FC ( or its holding company ) the fact of the matter is that this in no way solves the problem faced by the football club. Whoever gains control of that club will still have to rent the ground from Mr Masterton’s company– and it is a rent that the club may just not be able to afford.

Ever!

It is only my opinion of course, but I am of the view that Mr Masterton has sealed a loan deal with his bankers which is of a type and duration which could not normally be achieved by other borrowers. The Loan has a lengthy period during which no repayments are necessary and interest can continue to accrue.

All very good you may say, but the level of debt concerned is not one that appears to be sustainable by Dunfermline FC and so whoever buys the club as a going concern ( if anyone buys it at all ) will have to pay an agreed rental to Gavin Masterton– and if the rental is not sufficient to repay Mr Masterton’s lenders, then I suspect that the end game here will be a search to find a buyer for the ground at some point over the next twenty years or so, with the hope that as part of the deal a space will be found somewhere for a new ground like New St Mirren park– the difference being that in that instance St Mirren were in charge of their future whereas Dunfermline are not.

The Governance of that club and the financial arrangements behind the club should have been looked at and examined by the SFA long before now– and the Dunfermline fans warned about the dangers of any such arrangements. Effectively those finance arrangements, should they continue, will probably mean that the club will have no option but to move from its established home!

All to suit one man!

Thankfully Dundee were spared a full takeover by Giovanni Di Stefano, however is it not a bit worrying that this man who has been jailed for over 14 years for various fraudulent acts, was allowed to roam around Scottish Football for a prolonged period?

Not so long ago Di Stefano did play a part at Dens, was in line to buy almost 30% of the shareholding, and was oft quoted in the papers and so on. The thing is that there were those who were prepared to give him a place at the Dundee table and in so doing invited him into Scottish Football.

Surely the SFA, had they been inclined to, could quite easily have pointed out that many of the claims of Mr Di Stefano were at least dubious if not completely incorrect? Yet nothing was being said at the time and silence prevailed.

Whilst not in the same calibre as Di Dtefano, Vladimir Romanov has now been at Hearts for a prolonged period. While I have no quibbles about the legality of Romanov’s takeover of Hearts, any money of a sizeable size which is transferred into Scotland from a foreign country will be subject to scrutiny by the Crown office to ensure that it is clean. Lithuania in particular is said to have a banking system which is governed loosely and sometimes does not meet the compliance standards expected in this country.

With his bank having gone bust, Romanov still retains the majority shareholding at Tynecastle, but there are questions still to be answered about what has happened at Hearts but life will be very different for the Edinburgh club going forward.

Again– could the SFA have done more to monitor the situation and could they have demanded clarity and detail from the Hearts owner as to his business dealings and the detailed arrangements with his bank?

At Ibrox, well things just go from the weird and inexplicable to downright astonishing– and all through a tremendous amount of smoke and mirrors.

It is clear that the SFA have no idea what to believe from Charles Green or for that matter Craig Whyte. On the face of it, there are clear links between Whyte and Green with the former paying over a six figure sum in return for absolutely nothing it would appear– with similar transactions going between Whyte’s colleague, Aiden Early, and Charles Green.

What is clear is that Green gave a clear undertaking to the SFA that he had nothing whatsoever to do with Whyte and would have nothing to do with Whyte going forward. Now, at the very least he is admitting that he met Whyte on several occasions, and whilst he may have made representations to Craig Whyte— these were all lies designed only to get Whyte to where Green wanted him.

This is hardly the act of someone who has been bona fides in his business dealings either with Whyte or with the SFA as the licensing body.

It is against this background that the Scottish Football Agencies need to wake up before they find the fans of the game ( at least those who want to stay interested in the game ) doing a Bismarck and panning in the windows of this whole house of cards.

Football Clubs, football fans, and indeed football itself needs protected from the financial and corporate shenanigans, and the governing body must be much more active and permanently vigilant in watching out for and if necessary anticipating the people and the transactions which have and will jeopardise clubs and the game in general going forward.

It is clearly no longer acceptable to rely on self regulation or mere declarations and undertakings from the clubs themselves. The Administrators must be much more active and employ far greater professional expertise in carrying out an almost constant analytical and reporting function in relation to club finance and corporate regulation.

All and any changes in funding, boardroom changes, investor changes and anything else major should be the subject of immediate and proper scrutiny by the SFA and there should be fair, immediate and stiff sanctions for non compliance, and any type of dilatory behaviour on the part of club officials who would seek to conceal the truth or who fail to properly disclose vital matters which should be out in the open.

Further, the funding detail– such as the never ending loan re Dunfermline should be a matter of public record in all its detail so that fans and investors can make information based value judgements when dealing with any club.

Such stiffer regulation should not develop into anything like a corporate witch hunt or any kind of draconian big brother syndrome, however the need for change given all of the current troubles is obvious to one and all.

Further, the attempted fudge surrounding Rangers league status last summer and the ongoing disquiet surrounding the position of Campbell Ogilvie does nothing to boost faith in and the reputation of Football Administration in Scotland.

Things are far from clear and there appears to be continual dithering and fudging. No one has any idea where the Nimmo Smith Report has gone nor what import it is to have— if any. Why is that?

Dithering and bumbling over detail is no longer an option. Strong clear governance is required to protect the game from being hijacked by those who have their own corporate and financial agendas.

Such people cannot be allowed to determine the way Scottish Football runs  or to conduct themselves in a fashion that leaves football and everyone involved in limbo.

It is time for Scottish Football to find its own Iron Chancellor!  There is a need for someone who will, if necessary, come along and shoot the lights out of any club or Company Director who wishes to play fast and loose with the game of football.

About Jim McGinley
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5,407 Responses to Scottish Football and the case for a Bismarck!

  1. rantinrobin says:

    For all those TRFC fans ,at present bewildered as to the destiny of their club,take note of the sage words of former President George W.Bush

  2. scapaflow14 says:

    Interesting sidebar from the daily telegraph on reconstruction:

    “Reconstruction proposals could be revived this week

    Scottish league reconstruction, widely assumed to be dead in the water after the SPL clubs could not muster an 11-1 vote to deliver their end of the deal last week, could stage a remarkable revival over the next few days, Telegraph Sport can reveal.

    One senior club administrator said: “When the dust settled last week and people calmed down, there was a realisation that perhaps we had not been so far apart as we had initially thought.

    “Although it was reported that there was no will amongst the clubs to take this any further, there is, in fact, a degree of optimism that maybe this can be put back on track.

    “It will have to move very quickly if it is to be done in time for next season, but it is possible that something might emerge later this week.”

    Elsewhere, Aberdeen midfielder Jim Bett has for 23 years been the answer to the pub quiz question: who was the last non-Old Firm player to be named as the best in Scotland?

    However, Bett will now be consigned to the history books after the non-Glasgow quartet of Hibernian striker Leigh Griffiths, Motherwell’s Michael Higdon, Niall McGinn of Aberdeen and Andrew Shinnie of Inverness were shortlisted for this season’s award.

    In the Young Player of the Year category, Victor Wanyama is Celtic’s only award nominee. He will face competition from Griffiths, who is looking for a rare awards double, as well as Dundee United pair Stuart Armstrong and Gary Mackay-Steven.

    The winners will be announced and presented with their awards at the Hilton Hotel in Glasgow on Sunday, May 5.

  3. wottpi says:

    madbhoy24941 says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 09:52

    Well said.

    I think Tom English is one of the best weapons the MSM have, however as you say while he was quick with his display of ‘hubris’ to a jobbing professional footballer/coach, he and his ilk have never got that deep into the bones of others in the game, who frankly deserve a much higher degree of interrogation that that dished out to Bomber.

    That being said, yesterday morning I called for Tom along with Spiers and Cosgrove to get the story back on the friot page and the Scotsman seems to have obliged, so credit where credit is due.

  4. redetin says:

    I wonder if John Brown considered whether he had a case for “constructive dismissal” apparently having exposed wrongdoing in the workplace, or acting as a whistleblower.

    As required in these cases he cleared his desk and left his job immediately.

  5. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    rantinrobin says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:05
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    Thanks, this has been in my head since the bold CW made a reappearance.

    As has this

  6. Not The Huddle Malcontent says:

    Now i’ve had more time to think about it…..Browns attack on English last night

    1st off, what the hell was that “confrontation” about yesterday. Brown demanding an apology for a journo saying it was a preposterous and unpopular decision to appoint him Dundee manager – an appointment that was universally derided by pundits, journos and fans alike.
    Bomber is full of his pomp just down as he’s had a good run since arriving – 3 wins, 3 draws from 8 i think it is – but this is not an uncommon feature when a new manager arrives – especially at a struggling club who were obviously under performing all season but who now face a real struggle to maintain their own income/wage levels – they need to impress someone to sign them for next year as the club was already doomed to relegation before bomber arrived.
    Anyway, lets see how the next 5 games pan out for bomber before we congratulate the board for a fantastic appointment which blindsided us all.

    His performance at Clyde, followed by a lengthy absence from managing at any level, makes him an unlikely candidate for the Managers job at a club fighting for SPL survival.
    Anyway, seems to me Bomber has taken exception to English (nothing to do with him being from the republic i’ll wager!) making comments that were pretty much par for the course in punditry world.
    Bomber claims that the Board of Dundee received death threats directly on the back of English’s comments. However, by bombers own admission these threats were as much because of the way Barry Smith was sacked and how that was handled. (funnily enough, Dundee forums seem to be in the dark this morning about exactly who was threatened and when – but i see someone is being charged with making online comments threatening Scot Gardiner. There was no police patrols around his house, threats of it being burned down, improvised devices or bullets sent to Scot Gardiner. Just an internet bampot being, well, a bampot!)

    But, Brown was quick to move on from what he claims was his problem with English and move onto matters of “the deeds” or as bomber likes to say “on the steps”

    Right, can anyone tell me what Bomber claims he knew?

    He said “show us the deeds” thats about it. He said not to trust green and he pretty much left McCoist, Walter and Traynor without a name for not acting in the interests of the club – surely they must respond to Bombers claims they ignored him otherwise face the wrath of the orcs (hahaha, like the orcs will challenge walter and Sally – despite them taking more out of the club again!)

    Are we to believe that Charles Green sat down with BOMBER and showed him the title deeds, bank accounts, told him Whyte was involved, explained the switcheroo and how Green would get out with his money? Are we led to believe that back in July, each step of green plan was laid out before brown – and if it was….what is teh end game? who knows, Green might have flanked TGEF, Sevco Scotland might be the ones owning the assets, there COULD be money in the bank – not a lot, but enough to get to the season ticket renewals – and who knows, maybe there will be summer cost cutting once they can sell players and they know what the income they have for the year is – unlikely I know, but is brown suggesting that Green told him they’d be stripping cash out of the club, selling the stadium on a sale/lease back agreement and he’d be getting out of dodge?

    If so, and Brown new – is it likely Malcolm Murray or anyone else didn’t know?

    Brown has read….hahaha…been told some stuff by Internet Bampots, probably at the behest of McKenna who was keen to buy (and strip) the club himself. He ranted like a steamer getting refused entry to a nightclub (much to all our amusement) but he knew nothing, claimed nothing, just had a hunch.

    He got as much attention as I’d deserve if I was the one standing on the steps addressing the crowd and warning of doom!

    Brown KNOWS nothing – he might have a hunch, but he knows nothing/can prove nothing. He has been let down by other “Bears” who decided to be “souptakers” and line their own pockets and not press Green for more info/proof. he has presented himself poorly and he walked away when there were PLENTY of people who would have given him the oxygen of publicity if he pushed hard enough and presented his case properly.

    Mark Daly and Alex Thommo being 2 who would have happily aired his concerns – instead he went to the media poodles that RFC relied on for so long – he got what he deserved…IGNORED by the succulent lambers.

    Brown has claimed everyone was against him
    Brown has claimed he received threats to shut up
    Brown has claimed D&P paid Media house to silence him
    yet he is angry with English…who at least has cast some doubt (not a lot but some) over Charles Green.

  7. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    Oh, and….

    @corsica1968 2m

    Hearing (direct from Blue Knight) it’s civil war @ Ibrox. Cardigan & Fat Sally briefing furiously against DCK & CG camps to save themselves.

  8. HirsutePursuit says:

    Re John Brown and what he “knew”.

    Many people feel that it is only common sense to assume that Craig Whyte was chosen to do a particular job. That job, of course, was to steer the old club to liquidation – following what was assumed would be an imminent and negative verdict in the BTC. Craig Whyte was not chosen to throw a single penny of his (or anyone else’s) money at the walking dead.

    If we follow this theory, it is only because of the FTT(T)’s delay in delivering its verdict and the club’s early exit from Europe that the original plan appeared to have come unstuck. We know that Mr Whyte did not inject any money and the cash simply ran out.

    However, If we stick with the idea that Mr Whyte was chosen to oversee the old club’s death and the transition to a new Rangers, the only material thing that really changed was the cause of the killing. The real change was the perception that Mr Whyte was to blame for Rangers demise – whereas death by BTC would have seen Mr Murray cast as the principal villain.

    Regardless of the methodology, Mr Whyte’s journey towards liquidation proceeded (more or less) to plan.

    If it is correct that Mr Whyte was required to create distance between Mr Murray and the demise of Rangers, it follows that Mr Whyte needed other players to ensure that the assets were kept together and a new Rangers could rise from the ashes.

    Mr Whyte could not be seen to be involved in a new club, because that new club had – for marketing purposes – to use the same trading name as its predecessor. The real value of the old club’s assets was its name; but section 216 of the Insolvency Act precluded Mr Whyte’s involvement in a new club called Rangers.

    Mr Whyte claims that Mr Green was his front for Sevco 5088 – which, according to the theory, makes perfect sense.

    Mr Whyte claims that Mr Green fraudulently transferred the old club’s assets out of (or away from) his company Sevco 5088 and into an unconnected company Sevco Scotland.

    Mr Brown claims “he was told” that Mr Green was involved with Mr Whyte and that ownership of the old club’s assets were not certain.

    If this theory is broadly true: who could have told Mr Brown? Who would Mr Brown trust enough to believe such a tale?

  9. On reading Malcolm Murray’s statement concerning the robust state of whatever-they’re-called’s finances, a catchy tune from the 1960’s entered my head:

    “Three wheels on my wagon,
    And I’m still rolling along.
    Them Cherokees are chasing me,
    Arrows fly, right on by,
    But I’m singing a happy song….”

    (For those unfamiliar with the rest of the lyrics, I can reveal (exclusively) that things did not end well for the vehicle in question.)

  10. timtim says:

    Who drove the train right off the rail ?
    Who told us they’re too big to fail ?
    They have their cross -we have the nail
    Its now gone well beyond the pail
    The Times ,the Record the Daily mail
    all you do is wail and wail
    For this crime their is no bail
    Do not pass go-go straight to jail

    hail hail

  11. zilch2 says:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/journalist-who-snared-lance-armstrong-earns-redemption-on-a-biblical-scale.20909721

    Journalist who snared Lance Armstrong earns redemption…..

    by
    Hugh Macdonald
    Chief Sports Writer (Herald)

    Irony can be so delicious…. dontcha think?

    Dear Hugh and colleagues at the Herald and other Scottish MSM – read your own article – you DO realise which part you guys played in the parallel story of corruption in Scottish Football? You must surely realise this by now – yes?

    As the big hoose lurches through yet another crisis on what increasingly looks like a long, painful decline into utter oblivion – will none of you pluck up the courage to ask the questions that need to be asked?

    Will none of you take Mr Murray to task for the corruption he brought into the game?

    Will none of you take the SFA to task for the corruption they brought into the game over so many years?

    Do none of you think that Mr Olgilvie’s role needs exposed?

    Do none of you feel brave enough to highlight the long years of institutional bias towards one club to the detriment of all the others and the game in general?

    Will no-one find the cojones to do a thorough analysis of the roles played by each of the current Board and other senior management at the Big Hoose? The Cardigan and Sally have yet to be asked any serious questions about their role(s) in this fiasco…

    Redemption is on offer for any serious journalist / editor who can break with the old ways and commission a serious in depth investigation into not just RIFC, but the rotten state of football administration in Scotland.

    Yes. You will be ostracised by some of your colleagues.

    Yes. You will lose friends at the SFA / SPL / SFL.

    Yes. Life may become a little more awkward.

    David Walsh had the cojones to go after and ultimately expose one of the biggest stars of world sport, overcoming massive hostilities and impediments on the way. He is a journalist worthy of praise.

    Are any of you?

  12. arabest1 says:

    Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:26
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    Good post.

    This casual mentioning of ‘death threats’ and of being ‘warned off’, if accurate should be pursued vigorously by the relevant authorities. There are some serious peepil on the fringes of Scottish football, already we have had managers, directors, politicians, journalists (32 of them!) and voluntary contributors to SFA judicial apparatus threatened in this way, and like a whole raft of other thorny issues, it is booted into the long grass in the most cowardly fashion, in the hope we can ‘get back to the football’. Not for me, this type of blatant intimidation and thuggery should be confronted….or are we moving into an era where such things accepted as just part of the fabric of Scottish football? …..hell, we are already there!

  13. For what it’s worth, my thoughts on last nights English v Brown encounter

    Overall an interesting encounter, spiky enough that some issues were raised that would not have been if it had been a mutual back-slapping exercise. More such events would surely be useful in getting to some kind of truth (as when Green was on STV recently)

    TE’s £1 / £8.5million point was rather flimsy, maybe worth a mention then move on, certainly not strong enough to keep coming back to
    TE showed a good pugnacious streak in keeping going during the interview, and credit to him in recent weeks for definitely rising above the general MSM level, and his willingness to engage with both fans and players in the saga. A lot more of that would be good
    I’ve said before that I think TE is the best writer of the current Scottish journos, added to which he is clearly not thick (e.g. doesn’t keep wailing that all this financial stuff is above his head and how is he supposed to cope). If he can get enough info, I think he has the skills to maybe get somewhere with this

    JB was a bit all over the place at times, but he is not a media person. That is a failing in terms of articulacy under fire, but also a plus, in that despite being obviously uncomfortable in that arena, still put himself there, implying a degree of bravery that others seem to lack.
    And while it may well be true that JB did not know more than regulars here know, he did stand up in front of a crowd and expose himself to ridicule AT THE TIME. And I think that is the commendable point.

  14. beatipacificiscotia says:

    Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:26

    I never thought I would defend John Brown. He clearly continues to get a hard time for simply being honest and wearing his heart on his sleeve.

    I was impressed with the interview last night. He made his position clear. He knew what was going on, just didn’t have any evidence to back it up. Once the season tickets were sold he backed off to let the fans enjoy their football. You can’t fault that.

    People seem to forget that he stated “on the steps” that Craig Whyte and Ticketus were still in the background and that there were behind the scenes agreements. The MSM are still playing catch-up on that all these months later.

    John Brown had the courage to speak when others didn’t. I would trust John Brown any day of the week ahead of the likes of Ally and Walter.

  15. ecobhoy says:

    Interesting quote from Mather in today’s Herald:

    “I’ve always wanted to be more of an integral part of the business and of football. I’ve worked very hard with Ally [McCoist] to get a better understanding of him, the dynamic of the man, so that we can work together in the next transfer window. I believe it was the right thing for the club to move me into this position in the circumstances.”

    Emmmmmmmmm – Ally might find he has bigger problems with Mather than Green.

  16. nowoldandgrumpy says:

    Can’t stop laughing ‏@corsica1968 42m
    Hearing (direct from Blue Knight) it’s civil war @ Ibrox. Cardigan & Fat Sally briefing furiously against DCK & CG camps to save themselves.

  17. Galling fiver says:

    Scapa.

    “Reconstruction proposals could be revived this week

    Heard that last week (Tuesday), but time is passing and the ship may have sailed. The use of the words “appeal the outcome” did throw me off and decided not to comment as it sounded wrong. I think a few Div1 sides budgeted for something very different this year or next, which did not and may not pan out.

    I now suspect that a certain club may have given out money that was on the table, and the ship has sailed. If we see other SPL clubs follow the ST pricing lead, I suspect that deal is dead.

  18. bellshilltim says:

    Barcabhoy

    I’m surprised no-one has picked up on your point about Souness and the EBTs. I suppose the story has moved on quite a bit since Mark Daly’s documentary, perhaps that was the purpose of Whyte, Green and whoever’s up next, but do you think the real EBT story has still to come out?

    Was part of Media House’s £140k to make the story disappear, as well as discrediting Brown and his consortium?

  19. The CE says:

    callumsson says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 02:41
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    easyJambo says:
    Wednesday, April 24, 2013 at 22:19
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    The Rangers Standard claims that Imran Ahmad is a poster on RM

    http://www.therangersstandard.co.uk/index.php/articles/current-affairs/250-exclusive-ibrox-leak

    Going by some of the posts, there might be some merit in the claim

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    Is it just me EJ, or is that Rangers Standard story (if proven) not quite a big scoop?

    Here we have a member of the board accused of using social media to leak sensitive financial information, promote his own position and attack other directors.

    Surely these charges have to be answered and if they have any merit IA must be considering his position.

    The thick plotens.

    ______________________________________________________________

    CE

    In that case, for the avoidance of doubt, would you please confirm that you are NOT Stewart Gilmour.

    ————————————————————————————————

    callumsson,

    After taking advice from my legal representative Donald FIndlay QC, I’m afraid I can neither confirm nor deny those rumours. 🙂

  20. jimlarkin says:

    beatipacificiscotia says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:55
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    Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:26

    I never thought I would defend John Brown. He clearly continues to get a hard time for simply being honest and wearing his heart on his sleeve.

    I was impressed with the interview last night. He made his position clear. He knew what was going on, just didn’t have any evidence to back it up. Once the season tickets were sold he backed off to let the fans enjoy their football. You can’t fault that.

    People seem to forget that he stated “on the steps” that Craig Whyte and Ticketus were still in the background and that there were behind the scenes agreements. The MSM are still playing catch-up on that all these months later.

    John Brown had the courage to speak when others didn’t. I would trust John Brown any day of the week ahead of the likes of Ally and Walter.
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    and your point is [caller]

    until they understand and admit the real truth – that it is a new club, then forget them, do not give them the oxygen of publicity. they are a new club playing in the 4th tier of scottish football. why should they get any more press than any other 4th division club.

    unless – as they are, [as someone pointed out yesterday], a phoenix operation, with the same director
    (craig whyte), then that is a “phoenix”

    in which case, they are still liable for all debts – not just the “football” debts.

    so, come on HMRC and BDO, [as john brown would say]

    get them telt – you have to pay the £134 millions you owe.

    it’s ok, we will give you 20 years to pay it over.

  21. wottpi says:

    Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:26

    I think the apology Bomber was seeking was for what he saw was Tom’s over the top demolition of him as a candidate for the Dundee job.

    Like everyone else I thought it was a strange appointment but as has been mentioned earlier no different from former players and VERY inexperienced coaches Neil Lennion or ‘Mr TV’ McCoist being appointed to the two big jobs in Scottish Football.

    Bombers record at Clyde was raised but as he pointed out he didn’t even get £35k that he was promised to strengthen the squad. Meanwhile McCoist has a full time squad including internationalists with all the modern training facilities getting paid £7m, they they are total cack and the MSM keep giving us the ‘he needs a full season – its all the other distractions’ excuses.

    You can surely see why Bomber may see himself as not being treated fairly when compared to fellow Ibrox stalwarts.

    His rant on the steps in some ways didn’t help his public image but as someone said earlier Bomber is a product of his time when talented youngsters were only ever encouraged by clubs to develop the brains in their feet.

    Oh that we were all as eloquent as Tom English and his other well read and well educated media colleagues.

  22. barcabhoy says:

    bellshilltim says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 11:10
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    Barcabhoy

    I’m surprised no-one has picked up on your point about Souness and the EBTs. I suppose the story has moved on quite a bit since Mark Daly’s documentary, perhaps that was the purpose of Whyte, Green and whoever’s up next, but do you think the real EBT story has still to come out?

    Was part of Media House’s £140k to make the story disappear, as well as discrediting Brown and his consortium?

    ————————-

    I’m sure Media House’s overall brief was to put out fires and to promote a positive message, regardless of the topic

    Initially it would be easy to deal with. Souness and Murray just refuse to answer questions. Then the focus moves onto something else

    What is required is the type of banner headline that has been used to bring attention to other areas.

    The MSM can make it an issue by shining a strong enough torch on it. There are however much easier targets to hit just now and only so many pages in a newspaper.

    However at some point there will be space and a shortage of easy targets. There will also be a verdict on the BTC appeal which will bring the issue back into focus.

    The clever journalist would get ahead of the hack pack . That’s what real investigate journalism is all about. Look at Mark Daly, that’s why he is so successful. He goes where there is smoke but not yet a fire, and sometimes where here isn’t even any smoke

  23. rantinrobin says:

    As there is a current and persistent theme ,heavily criticising our little pack of reporters it is worth mentioning that Robert Redford was interviewed this morning on The Today Programme, BBC Radio 4.

    Redford was talking about the state of journalism in the States and referred back to ‘All the President’s Men’ He commented that such a film would have little chance of seeing the light of day in the current climate. No surprises there.

    Of more significance, however ,was his remark that modern day journalists in the U.S. are incapable of producing and developing a story. In the days of Bernstein & Woodward an Editor would only allow a story to run once the reporters could guarantee corroborated information through two sources prepared to go on record. This according to Redford should be the basic underling tenet of any good journalist seeking out the truth.

    Now let us apply this argument to the Rangers story and how it has affected Scottish football.
    We have, of course, examples of good journalistic practice particularly with regard to the input of Messrs. Daly & Thomson. Both sought out significant sources willing to go on record, and ,in turn, they developed the story.

    Now, is any Scottish reporter out there willing to tell me that given the implosion at Ibrox there is not one significant participant who, when directly questioned, will not buckle?

    Ask the questions? Dig and you shall find .I am a little bit tired of hearing the pontifications of journalists coming out with somewhat pompous observations of what their perception of the situation is. They tweet and tease about what they know or might have heard. We know the spiel ” I have it on good authority” ,” I have been at Ibrox today and I know for a fact.”…….and on and on ad infinitum.

    Stick to questioning and finding sources and develop the story.

    To all you journalists you are running out of time as ,frankly, like the newspapers you work for, your readership is on the wane.

    Note. The Redford interview is at 07:45,BBC Radio 4,Today

  24. rantinrobin says:

    Thought for the day.

    If you put the combined resources of all the contributors on this forum,coupled with the magnificent legacy of RTC and aligned them as a working team,coupled with the guidance of say Mark Daly and Alex Thomson I can state,with much confidence,that this story would have far greater clarity in comparison to the efforts of the Scottish mainstream media.

  25. Not The Huddle Malcontent says:

    wottpi says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 11:26
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    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:26

    I think the apology Bomber was seeking was for what he saw was Tom’s over the top demolition of him as a candidate for the Dundee job.

    Like everyone else I thought it was a strange appointment but as has been mentioned earlier no different from former players and VERY inexperienced coaches Neil Lennion or ‘Mr TV’ McCoist being appointed to the two big jobs in Scottish Football.

    ——————————–

    the appointment of Lennon and McCoist is in no way comparable to Bomber getting the Dundee gig.

    both Lennon and McCoist has spent lengthy spells at the club working directly under the then manager. In the case of McCoist, it was agreed well before Walter left that he would be taking over and he was groomed for the position – i believe he was responsible for the 1st team in the cup competitions

    Lennon had been at the club years as a player and coach – working mostly with the youth set up. But he stepped as someone at the club, in an interim basis following the disaster that was tony Mowbray. And other than that cup game, Lenny went on a very impressive league run.

    It is not unusual for inexperienced coaches to work their way up to the top spot at a club – indeed, Liverpool were legendary for it. And lets look at Pep Guardiola for another example of a novice getting a big gig.

    However, Brown is very different to McCoist/Lennon

    1. He was not employed/working at Dundee when given the job – so not an appointment from within

    2. He is NOT a novice manager – he already had a poor record at Clyde (by the way, how much less did Brown get than other clyde managers?)

    3. On his side is the fact he is an ex dundee player – however, any goodwill that might have bought him would have been wiped out by his playing of the uber-gers card over subsequent years and then more recently, his bid to buy the club as he stood frothing like a loon “on the steps”

    it was a left field appointment. I still think it’ll end badly once they get relegated and he gets a full pre season to adjust his team to SFL1.

    if i’m wrong – i’ll give him the apology he no doubt feels he deserves

  26. paulmac2 says:

    Night Terror says:

    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 09:06

    I’m surprised by the positive reaction to John Brown’s performance on Sportsound.

    He still hasn’t come up with anything specific, either in substance or in sources, and from his comments that he was unable to provide proof to Smith or McCoist, it doesn’t sound like he has any.

    Claiming that English owed him an apology because his daughters had been upset is contemptible. People with daughters are exempt from criticism?

    I was sorry to hear English backtrack a bit on the “daughters” issue, but more annoyed that he didn’t pin Bomber down on what he knew or at least how he “knew” whatever it was that he couldn’t be specific about.
    ……………………..

    I would say that Bombers careful and considered responses to the list of questions put to him does not necessarily mean he does not have hard proof of certain aspects of the situation…

    What I would say is…if you honestly expect me or anyone to believe that McCoist and Smith…on given the choice….between ‘support Charlie to get season ticket money in’….or seek confirmation of what a friend John Brown and supporter of SEVCO told them….that they chose Charlie because John could not be trusted without documents to back up what he was saying….

    That I believe is why the original club was liquidated…and why SEVCO are being systematically turned upside down with the very real prospect of going out of business..

    The very least McCoist and Smith should have done was to robustly seek and challenge what was going on…they didn’t…they became part of the mess we now see…

    And Bomber has nailed them to a post….they have no option but to walk or counter John’s ascertion that he told them back in August 2012 what we are seeing now.

  27. wottpi says:

    Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 11:48

    “In the case of McCoist, it was agreed well before Walter left that he would be taking over and he was groomed for the position – I believe he was responsible for the 1st team in the cup competitions”

    Which supports Bombers argument. Even with all this mentoring and the like, McCoist is still appearing to be a bit of a dud and has yet to receive the criticism that was doled out to the current Dundee manager before he even set foot inside Dens Park.

    Lets be frank, it should be the case that a trained monkey would do a half decent job at either Celtic or Rangers of old.

    Lennon has done better than I and others (http://forum.celtictalk.org/topic/22391-how-long-would-you-give-lennon/) expected and all credit to him but who knows how he would have faired if his first real job had been at Clyde or similar. Celtic have done right by him and supported his development. Given some of his earlier anticts another board of a smaller club may not have been so supportive and could have quickly booted him out after a string of poor results. where woul d he be then?

    Howevr that is all agame of ‘What if’s ‘.

    Now Bomber may indeed fail but I think he is saying he at least deserves a chance to do the job Just like Lennmon and McCoist) before people judged him so harshly in the way he felt Tom English’s rant did.

  28. HirsutePursuit says:

    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:32

    Re John Brown and what he “knew”.

    ………

    If this theory is broadly true: who could have told Mr Brown? Who would Mr Brown trust enough to believe such a tale?

    _________________________________________________________________

    Very good question, let me just unwrap a mint while I think about it.

  29. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    And more…

    @corsica1968

    Finally told they all know going to go bust again. Options: Murray or Mather find short-term finance quick, DCK comes back, or death.

  30. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:16

    Murray or Mather find short-term finance quick, DCK comes back, or death.
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    DCK..?

  31. greenockjack says:

    Where are the Nuclear shelters ?

    Iran, Barcabhoy & North Korea on the axis of “—-“, LOL

  32. spanishcelt says:

    ecobhoy says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 10:5

    Interesting quote from Mather in today’s Herald:

    “I’ve always wanted to be more of an integral part of the business and of football. I’ve worked very hard with Ally [McCoist] to get a better understanding of him, the dynamic of the man, so that we can work together in the next transfer window. I believe it was the right thing for the club to move me into this position in the circumstances.”
    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    I was sure they said Mather was only a temporary/interim appointment while they continue their search for a new CEO?
    As in this announcement to the market.

    Rangers International Football Club plc

    (“Rangers”, the “Group” or the “Club”)

    Directorate Change

    Rangers announces that the Board has appointed Craig Mather, aged 42, to the role of Chief Operating Officer for the Group. In addition, Craig will act as interim Chief Executive Officer and will be a member of the Board as the interim Chief Executive Officer. In the meanwhile the search for a permanent replacement for Charles Green will continue and a further announcement will be made as appropriate. Craig has been director of sports development for the Club since October 2012 and is currently a shareholder in the Club having invested prior to its initial public offering in 2012. Craig currently holds 1,800,000 ordinary shares, representing 3.1 per cent. of the Company’s shares in issue.

  33. spanishcelt says:

    wottpi says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:14

    Lets be frank, it should be the case that a trained monkey would do a half decent job at either Celtic or Rangers of old.
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    Tell that to Liam Brady, Lou Macari, Jo venglos or John Barnes 🙂

  34. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    DCK is one Dave King. Remember?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_King_(businessman)

    Fit and proper, my backside.

  35. HirsutePursuit says:

    It is clear that John Brown knew about the links between Whyte & Green and the uncertainty over the ownership of Ibrox & Murray Park.

    Someone he trusted told him; but clearly someone he could not quote directly. Is he protecting his source… or is he protecting himself?

    Who would have known this information at the time?
    What was this person’s motivation for telling bomber?
    What was this person’s links to Mr Whyte?

    A quick reminder. John Brown stood on the steps of Ibrox on 27th June 2012.

    This is the same day that STV revealed that Rangers assets had passed to Sevco Scotland rather than Sevco 5088.

    This would be the day that Craig Whyte would have realised that he had been shafted.

    Coincidence?

  36. arabest1 says:

    HirsutePursuit says:

    good spit HP, Craigie boy did not leave anything to chance did he?…:)

  37. arabest1 says:

    Good spit? Spot!

  38. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:31

    DCK is one Dave King. Remember ?
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,
    Thanks.AMQC,
    Ahhhh its the glib fella, & here's me thinkin it was a typo…missing the i

    🙂

  39. Not The Huddle Malcontent says:

    spanishcelt says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:30
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    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:14

    Lets be frank, it should be the case that a trained monkey would do a half decent job at either Celtic or Rangers of old.
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    Tell that to Liam Brady, Lou Macari, Jo venglos or John Barnes

    ——————————

    I absolutely INSIST you remove Venglos from that list – he was a good manager.

    Brady & barnes are funny(strange) ones, great players of legendary status, but no real Celtic connection – should never have got the job.

    I think Celtic learned a little from that brady experience and hence the reason why Barnes arrived with kennyDal in tow

    Brady had a poor Celtic squad with a poorer board against a rampant rangers full of Murray hubris and spending. Indeed, i reckon he was a last role of the dice for the old board to keep the fans onside – not long after he left – Celts For Change deposed the old board (with a little help from Fergus of course!)

    as far as a trained monkey doing well at Celtic – well, had Larsson not broken his leg, i believe Barnes would have won the league – Celtic were playing some cracking stuff until Henke disappeared for a year – then barnes, when faced with poor results and no experience/understanding fell to pieces.

    Luigi Macari was an experienced manager and shouldn’t be on the list either – even though he was useless for other, personal reasons

    I don’t agree either mcCoist or Lennon should have received the same derision of Browns appointment – because of the fact they came through the ranks at the club. They had “done their time” in the backroom of that club – Brown didn’t, and he’d a poor record when giving it a go elsewhere.

    However, on McCoist – i’m delighted he was a appointed, he doesnt possess any characteristic which suggests to me he’ll be a good manager. Long may he continue in the hot seat as far as i’m concerned.

  40. torrejohnbhoy says:

    raminta Moonbeam QC says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:16

    @corsica1968

    Finally told they all know going to go bust again. Options: Murray or Mather find short-term finance quick, DCK comes back, or death.
    ===========================================================
    Who would want to loan this basket case money?.
    Spivs,maybe,at a punitive interest rate.There’s no real possibility of getting your cash back.

    Could always try Ticketus,I suppose!.

  41. blackboab says:

    i agree that bomber brown is the one guy in all this mess that has been truthful to the fans of the club..he just wasn’t articulate and believable enough back in june to really make him a figure to follow …he clearly worked out or was told that green and his cronies were spivs (as most of us who followed rtc and here thought at the time) and that they were bad news for the new club…after he wasn’t listened to by enough of the fans and after mccoist and smith jumped on board with green…he fell silent…

    i find the fact that mccoist and smith were told by brown what was going on and ignored it very interesting…bomber brown is clearly a rangers man at heart…whatever you think of him…and the fact that mccoist and smith sided with charles green opens up all sorts of questions that they will need to answer at some point…because if they had come out back in june 2012 and stood along side brown against the spivs…maybe sevco would now not be staring at another administration and the fans would not have been conned out of millions by the dodgy share issue.

  42. Interesting stuff on Twitter – Edgar Blamm ‏- @EdgarBlamm – poses the question as to whether Charles Green has been posting on Rangers Media account as “In the know”?

    See http://i.imgur.com/rIyiTn4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WaQD6Ey.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/PObMuij.jpg

    it certainly reads like him; if that is the CEO disclosing price sensitive and other sensitive info on a website, then we really are into internet bampottery.

    What next, is Keevins really rantinrobin? Could Richard Wilson be Danish Pastry? How do we know Brenda isn’t really Imran Ahmad’s dear old mum? And what pseudonym does Campbell Ogilvie like to go under?

    Ironically, 100 years ago Man in the Know was a notorious Celtic reporter some of whose articles would undoubtedly land him in hot water these days.

  43. chipm0nk says:

    Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:31

    DCK is one Dave King. Remember?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_King_(businessman)

    Fit and proper, my backside.

    ========================

    It really depends if you think a money laundering tax fraudster, who has been described by a Judge as a glib and shameless liar, to be a fit and proper person to run Rangers.

    Personally I don’t see what the issue is. Traditions and so forth.

  44. y4rmy says:

    therampantbaron says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:09
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    Interesting stuff on Twitter – Edgar Blamm ‏- @EdgarBlamm – poses the question as to whether Charles Green has been posting on Rangers Media account as “In the know”?

    See http://i.imgur.com/rIyiTn4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WaQD6Ey.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/PObMuij.jpg

    it certainly reads like him; if that is the CEO disclosing price sensitive and other sensitive info on a website, then we really are into internet bampottery.

    What next, is Keevins really rantinrobin? Could Richard Wilson be Danish Pastry? How do we know Brenda isn’t really Imran Ahmad’s dear old mum? And what pseudonym does Campbell Ogilvie like to go under?

    Ironically, 100 years ago Man in the Know was a notorious Celtic reporter some of whose articles would undoubtedly land him in hot water these days.

    No idea if it’s him or not, but this is textbook Greenspeak re: the Qatar Dream League.

    “If it happens and Gers is one of the teams invited we will potentially be worth over 500 million”!

    Of course the Qatar Dream League turned out to be a hoax anyway, but the hyperbolic drivel is very familiar.

  45. The CE says:

    Thanks for that ramantbaron, if there’s even a hint of truth in these RM accounts belonging to the ex-CEO and Commercial Director then they are absolute dynamite.

  46. chipm0nk says:

    I had always just assumed that they had people posting on the major supporters websites. There have also been suspicions that the PR men have been putting people here, and formerly at RTC.

    I thought that was a given.

    However actual execs providing information on internet forums, and potentially trying to manipulate potential shareholders and customers is surely a whole other kettle of monkeys.

  47. torrejohnbhoy says:

    chipm0nk says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:13

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    Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:31

    DCK is one Dave King. Remember?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_King_(businessman)

    Fit and proper, my backside.

    ========================

    It really depends if you think a money laundering tax fraudster, who has been described by a Judge as a glib and shameless liar, to be a fit and proper person to run Rangers.

    Personally I don’t see what the issue is. Traditions and so forth.
    ============================================
    If DK is the only choice available to the SFA/SFL he’ll be accepted,nay welcomed with open arms.
    Question is still the same though:
    Who in their right mind would take this on,knowing it’ll cost the best part of £50m to reach the SPL and build a side capable of challenging CFC for the CL place,with no guarantee of success or any return on your cash?.

  48. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    Its getting on for 2 o’clock and no significant bad news out of Ibrox yet. Is this a new world record?

  49. beatipacificiscotia says:

    torrejohnbhoy says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 12:58

    I’m convinced that money is running out fast. Murray was careful to point out what was on the balance sheet, but balance sheet is not the same as being in the bank. If I sent a credit note to Rangers for £10million they could quite rightly include that on the balance sheet as money due. However, they do not (and never will) have my (imaginary) £10million in the bank.

    Show us the deeds, show us the bank statements (all of them), show us who bought the shares and when the money was received, show us what money is still to be received.

    And while you are at it, show us the 5-way agreement.

  50. therampantbaron says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:09
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    Interesting stuff on Twitter – Edgar Blamm ‏- @EdgarBlamm – poses the question as to whether Charles Green has been posting on Rangers Media account as “In the know”?

    See http://i.imgur.com/rIyiTn4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WaQD6Ey.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/PObMuij.jpg

    it certainly reads like him; if that is the CEO disclosing price sensitive and other sensitive info on a website, then we really are into internet bampottery.

    What next, is Keevins really rantinrobin? Could Richard Wilson be Danish Pastry? How do we know Brenda isn’t really Imran Ahmad’s dear old mum? And what pseudonym does Campbell Ogilvie like to go under?

    Ironically, 100 years ago Man in the Know was a notorious Celtic reporter some of whose articles would undoubtedly land him in hot water these days.

    = = = = =

    I can confirm that I’m a nondescript everyday celtic fan that sympathises with most Gers fans poster that would like to have seen SDM screw the nut c.2001 to avoid the whole omnicarcrashfuckup.
    …. with occasional bad corny jokes.

  51. chipm0nk says:

    torrejohnbhoy says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:31

    And also, financial fair play rules should in theory prevent people just throwing money at a club to buy success.

  52. therampantbaron says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:09

    y4rmy says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:21
    ———–

    The Rangers Media poster ‘In The Know’ (whom I personally believe to be Charles Green) joined RM on the 27th of July, 2012, the exact day Sevco were given the go-ahead to play football in Scotland.

    On the day that the Lord Nimmo Smith inquiry decision was due to be announced, ‘In The Know’ went public with the outcome – including the nature of the ‘punishment’ and exact figure of the fine – hours before anyone else.

    I clocked this at the time, tweeted his prediction, and was later (thoroughly undeservedly) credited with a scoop of my own, whereas all I’d done was copy & paste info from a monkey forum.

    Very few people would’ve had access to this LNS information, so it stood to reason that this poster was an insider and worth keeping an eye on. Time-after-time he disclosed sensitive information that could only have come from someone inside Green’s camp at Ibrox; most recently attempting, quite unconvincingly, to rubbish National Treasure Craig Whyte’s claims of ownership.

    Considering the distinctively chummy yet hyperbolic writing style (try reading it an a Yorkshire accent) and propensity to refer to folk as ‘prats’ and ‘muppets’, I eventually began to suspect that it was Chuckles himself!

    Anyway, I (perhaps stupidly) exposed him a few weeks back, and he stopped posting on the 12th of April.

    The ‘IamRangers’ (a play on IMRAN RANGERS?) account, on the other hand, has continued to be used to post sensitive information – mainly hysterical accusations towards Craig Whyte.

    Interestingly, the IamRangers account, while clearly being used as a propaganda tool by someone in the Whyte camp inside Ibrox, pre-dates Administration, so is either a generic ‘Club’ propaganda account, or Imran has been at Ibrox for quite a while….

  53. tomtomaswell says:

    chipm0nk says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:49
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    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:31

    And also, financial fair play rules should in theory prevent people just throwing money at a club to buy success.
    ===================

    Hang on old chap, 3rd division titles don’t come cheaply nowadays 😀

  54. torrejohnbhoy says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:34
    ———————————
    The answer to Phil’s question, not surprisingly, is that the new point man at the SFA, McKinlay, is a very regular attender at Ibrox Stadium, where he has a season ticket all to himself.

    I am sure it is good for Campbell Ogilvie and Darryl Broadfoot to have someone to turn to in times of strife.

  55. Captain Haddock says:

    The SFA’s Director of Governance and Regulation, as mentioned in Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s latest blog might be uniquely qualified to assist in any possible scenario if TRFC does suffer another insolvency event.

    Mr Andrew McKinlay’s previous appointments include:-

    “Head of Asset Management
    National Australia Group Europe
    Public Company; 10,001+ employees; NAB; Banking industry
    May 2009 – April 2012 (3 years) Glasgow

    Leadership of team responsible for the asset management of the bank’s repossessed properties”

    Hmm, repossessed properties…very interesting…

  56. spanishcelt says:

    tomtomaswell says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:55

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    torrejohnbhoy says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:31

    And also, financial fair play rules should in theory prevent people just throwing money at a club to buy success.
    ===================

    Hang on old chap, 3rd division titles don’t come cheaply nowadays 😀
    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    Cant be that expensive, Green bought 54 titles, 30 odd scottish cup wins umpteen league cup wins, glasgow cup wins, european cup winners cup win and more for a word record 115 trophies,,,,,,,PLUS,,,,,,,,,,,,,, an old bike, training ground,,, AND,,,,, an asbestos riddled stadium for just over 5 million. 😀

  57. The CE says:

    From today’s Sun artcile on Craig Mather;

    ‘The tycoon’s appointment ….’

    ———————————————————————————————————

    Hart will be joined by fellow non-executive directors Walter Smith, motors tycoon Bryan Smart and Phillip Cartmell, the former boss of a security firm.
    They will demand answers from Green before today’s match against Clyde.

    http://www.dailyreco…ecutive-1828656

    US tycoon Bill Miller given preferred bidder status

    http://www.heraldsco…3eb8524745bd8b6

    Scottish tycoon Craig Whyte appeared to move closer to a takeover of Rangers after an agreement over the club’s debt was reached with Lloyds Banking Group.

    http://www.newsrt.co…ver-104063.html

    Charles Green sells up to bus tycoon

    http://www.express.c…p-to-bus-tycoon

    MURRAYBAGS; Rangers Tycoon Rakes in Pounds 2.6m from His Empire

    http://www.questia.c…ounds-2-6m-from

    With King the club’s second biggest shareholder behind Whyte, the rumour mill went into overdrive about why he’s in Glasgow. The party line seems to be that the Scots-born tycoon was simply meeting administrators Duff and Phelps to help with their investigation.

    Read more: http://www.thesun.co…l#ixzz2RThWCQhK

    Rangers chief executive Charles Green dramatically walks away from … The Scottish Sun he had shafted the tycoon to buy Rangers last year.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/scottishnews/4895862/Charles-Green-quits-as-Rangers-chief-executive.html

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    My advice, try and get someone in that is not a tycoon.

  58. twopanda says:

    Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 13:33
    It’s getting on for 2 o’clock and no significant bad news out of Ibrox yet. Is this a new world record?
    __

    Always a sign to old hands – that another frog`s about to hit the hotplate –-Fridays were pretty regular for take-overs – now with the Markets – you could synchronise your watch 😉

  59. wottpi says:

    Re Craig mather’s Rangeritis

    the Sun says

    RANGERS’ new chief executive told how his love for the club was sparked by a childhood trip to an Old Firm game.

    Englishman Craig Mather, 42, revealed he inherited an interest in the Light Blues from the Scots side of his family.

    It came as he took up an interim role yesterday to replace Charles Green who quit last week after a controversial reign. Mather said: “One of my parents was born and raised in Scotland, and I was fortunate to come to an Old Firm game. I’ve never forgotten it — the passion, the noise, it’s unexplainable.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So no mention that the Scots side of the family, or the one parent referred to, were definitely Rangers Supporters.

    Therefore the Scottish side of the family could easily be fans of any other Scottish Team.

    However it seems he was taken, as a boy, to an Old Firm game.

    Now we know the an Old Firm game of old was a spectacle and something that some neutral football fans would like to attend.

    But how many people of Scots descent that don’t have an interest in Celtic or Rangers choose to attend that fixture, especially say 30 years ago when the interim CEO would have been around 12.

    I wonder what scarf he wore to attend that game.

    It couldn’t have been ? Could it?

    A few months more and sleeper agent Mather will have completed his mission 🙂

  60. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    I notice that there seems to have been no trading on RFC shares since early this morning. Canny investors clearly sitting tight. Or…?

  61. rantinrobin says:

    Rangers share price has dropped to 57 within the last half hour.

  62. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    Gads! Spoke too soon – people are dumping 7k shares at a time. Price heading south.

  63. rantinrobin says:

    correction share price 58:5

  64. Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    Wait!!!!! The SFA DEMAND ANSWERS!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22297679

    How’s the postal service to France? Speedy?

  65. ecobhoy says:

    wottpi says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 14:26

    Mather and old firm attendance
    ——————————————————————-
    I just wasn’t allowed to go until I was 16 and that was with two uncles and I was a big fit boy.

    Wonder if Craig won any school sprint records?

  66. ecobhoy says:

    The CE says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 14:03

    From today’s Sun artcile on Craig Mather;

    ‘The tycoon’s appointment ….’
    —————————————————————————————–

    Is there a jab you can get to prevent tycoonitis as it sounds a serious condition especially in the later stages when it might indeed be lethal.

  67. iamacant says:

    Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 14:28

    rantinrobin says:
    Thursday, April 25, 2013 at 14:29

    I suggest you get on to your broker and cover your back by buying Worthington shares 🙂