A Question of Trust (Updated)

by Auldheid for the Scottish Football Monitor

On these pages at least there is a mounting lack of trust that the Scottish Football Association can or will govern our game in a fair and honest manner that recognises the principle of sporting integrity as paramount.

This mistrust is equalled only by the frustration at being unable to do anything to change the attitude and action of those at the SFA (and Leagues) responsible for that governance, a frustration compounded by the reluctance of the mainstream media to focus on the very issues of trust and integrity that concern us.

Back in early 2010 Celtic supporters represented by the Celtic Trust, various Association groups and individuals felt the same frustration and found a way to make their voices heard at the SFA – by using their club as a channel of communication to articulate their concerns.

A resolution was agreed and passed to Celtic to convey to the SFA and it was heeded by the club. There is no reason in why a similar conduit cannot be used by supporters groups of all clubs.

The enormity of the task, to get the majority of trusts and associations of all clubs to support this approach and give it sufficient weight, should not be underestimated, but in the interests of amplifying our voice, it is worth the effort.

Based on that 2010 experience, and on the discussion that has taken place on TSFM we have arrived at a (now amended) resolution below under the auspices of TSFM and which has been sent to all representative club supporters groups.

We believe one of the reasons the SFA and SPL were able to mislead (or simply fail to provide leadership) was because of the lack of clarity surrounding who should take provide that leadership and what principles should have been paramount.

The SFA were as tied to the commercial impact of Rangers demise as the SPL and indeed had to be reminded by the supporters of the importance of that sporting integrity. In the aftermath of the Rangers implosion, both the SFA and Leagues on the face of it appear still too commercially oriented to act in a way that balances commercialism and sporting principles.

We have attempted to address this in the resolution below. It also contains additional points raised already on TSFM and elsewhere. It is designed to assist in the widening of accountability in the sport.

We are not wed to the draft or the language. It is there to be revised but we hope it contains enough food for thought to be acceptable to the supporters groups and the clubs.

As recently as today, the SFA has published a Fans Charter. We welcome this development, and although it does not address our specific concerns with respect to governance it is a step in the right direction (http://www.fanscharter.com/).

Some of the principles published are;

  • Challenge is to make a National Fans Charter known, accepted and influential
  • Getting fan involvement in drafting charter important to acceptance,  influence and growing awareness.

We think our resolution is an even bigger step in the direction of those principles.


DRAFT Proposal for Representative Supporter Groups e.g. Trusts or Associations to send to their club to convey to the SFA/SPL/SFL Boards.

We [Insert Association/Trust name here] and in association with fans’ groups of other clubs, ask [Insert Club name here] to convey the following to the Scottish Football Association, SPL and SFL on our behalf.

1         We believe that the commercial viability of Scottish football at the professional level depends absolutely on the belief by supporters that sporting integrity is at the heart of all competition, and that those governing them and the rules by which they exercise governance, must hold sporting integrity as paramount above ALL other concerns. This belief can be summed up in the one word “trust” Without trust in those responsible for governing Scottish Football, commercial viability will suffer, to eventual ruin of our game.

2         There is a perception (accompanied by some dismay and anger) among football supporters throughout Scotland that those who were charged with upholding the rules of the SFA and SPL/SFL, only did so partially – and even then only because of the threat of supporter action if they did not.
3         There appears to be no distinction or order of hierarchy between those governing the game (the SFA) for whom we believe preservation of sporting integrity should be the prime purpose, and the leagues (SPL/SFL) for whom commercial aspects are (understandably) uppermost. As a result sporting integrity lost its primacy and it was left to supporters to insist on it.

4         Consequently many Scottish football supporters have lost confidence that the Scottish Football Association will fulfil their purpose of safeguarding the sport. Indeed their silence following the revelation of a 5 way agreement last summer on the future of the liquidated Glasgow Rangers has exacerbated this loss of confidence in the SFA’s ability to administer professional football in Scotland in a manner that reflects their duty of care to all aspects of the game and everyone who takes part in it.

5         Decisions and deals have been taken by the SFA, SPL, and SFL without any public scrutiny. The operations and decisions of those bodies lack transparency and they are not accountable in any recognisable form to the football supporters throughout the land, without whom there is no professional association.


6         In our view this loss of trust can only begin to be restored by the SFA publically committing  itself to:

(i)                  The production of an unequivocal “mission” statement of purpose/intent which will state (in whatever form they may exist) that maintaining sporting integrity is and will always be their prime goal. The statement will also describe how they intend to ensure this principle is followed in their interactions with Leagues and Clubs, particularly when commercial decisions that might undermine sporting integrity are implemented by the Leagues. (e.g. In the case of TV contracts, sponsorship or any significant league reconstruction).

(ii)                Further: in recognition of the inability of some individuals to provide leadership during the past year simply because of conflicts of interest, take steps to remove any such conflict, and in doing so enable the organisation and its office bearers to function unhindered.

(iii)               In the interests of transparency, publish the “five point agreement” that allowed The Rangers entry into SFL and SFA, provide a supporting rationale for entering into the agreement, and confirm that the terms have been or are being complied with.

Along with other trust restoring measures (see attached Annex) these steps should mark the end of the continuing lack of trust in the authorities.

7.         We appreciate that it may be the start of next season before there is any visible evidence of our concerns being addressed although the statement of purpose/intent by the SFA (i) and action at (ii) can be readily put in place – would be a welcome early development.

8.         All club’s supporters groups will be watching closely for signs of progress before advising our members and our other supporters if we feel the necessary trust restoring steps are being taken and advise that they can purchase their season books for 2013/14 knowing that sporting integrity is once more absolutely paramount in Scottish football to the betterment of our game.

Signed __________________________ on behalf of

[Insert supporter trust/association name here]

Date ______________

Annex to resolution.

The following is a list of other measures that the SFA should take in order to satisfy supporters that they should be entrusted with the job of governing Scottish football.

  1. To increase transparency and accountability in a meaningful way – possibly via creation of an active supporter’s liaison group drawn from representative supporter groups of each club. Its remit, using an agreed consultative mechanism to generate dialogue, to hear supporters’ concerns and consider them before key decisions are made. In an industry that is totally interdependent it is folly to exclude a major stakeholder from key decision making.
  2. A tightening of and an annual and independent audit of the process for granting UEFA Club (FFP) and National Club licensing reporting to the representative supporter liaison group as well as other SFA members to ensure all clubs are living within their means.
  3. Introduction of a rule requiring all Scottish football club directors to declare any financial interest/shareholding in any club other than their own and to rule that disposition of those shares/interest should be a part of a fit and proper assessment of a person’s qualification to hold office at an association club.
  4. A feasibility review of Scottish refereeing to assess the potential for creating a professional service that the SFA provide to the leagues by recruiting and training referees, but where the leagues monitor and reward consistently good performances to an agreed standard. Given the sums dependent on referee decisions, the current system must change for everyone’s sake including the referees.
  5. A full explanation about the circumstances (including dates) surrounding the award of a UEFA Club licence to Rangers in spring/summer of 2011 when there was unpaid social tax that prime facie did not meet the conditions for deeming the granting of a licence acceptable under the UEFA FFP rules on unpaid tax (the wee tax bill).

The [Insert Club Name here] Trust/Supporters Association asks [Insert Club Name here] to convey our concerns above with their provenance to the appropriate authorities as they see fit viz:

    • Football Authority in Scotland (The SFA)
    • Europe (UEFA)
    • Scottish Government (on the issue of accountability to supporters and       proper checks and balance governance.)

About SFM
The Scottish Football Monitor is following the lead of RangersTaxCase in an attempt to hold the Scottish mainstream media to account and to question. If they do not ask the difficult questions, we will.

1,894 Responses to A Question of Trust (Updated)

  1. Big Pink says:

    Update on Auldheid’s resolution.

    The positive news is that Alex Thomson has given it the air of publicity which will undoubtedly assist – and in fact has elicited what was probably (or am I being unduly surly) a reluctant response.
    The ICT trust will try to have the resolution discussed at their upcoming AGM, but as yet, there has been no response from any of the others.

    We sent the resolution directly to St. Johnstone FC as they co-ordinate fan groups in-house.
    I was unable to send to the Killie Trust as they only have a contact form with no way to send attachments. I have contacted (on Saturday) them to ask for an email address, but have received no reply. Any Killie fans out there know of an address, I’d appreciate it please.

    We have sent copies of the resolution to fan groups of every Scottish club except those listed below, where nonesuch existed.

    If fans of any of these clubs have contact details for their fan associations, please let us know

    Ross County
    Cowdenbeath
    Dumbarton
    Alloa
    Brechin
    Forfar
    Stranraer
    Queen’s Park
    Montrose
    Peterhead
    Elgin
    Annan Athletic
    Stirling Albion

  2. nowoldandgrumpy says:

    I won’t post the link.

    SPL Tribunal – Good News and More Questions
    By Chris Graham
    7

    Next week will see the resumption of the SPL tribunal into so called “double contracts” at Rangers. I say double contracts but I believe the terminology now used is “side letters”, or indeed whatever terminology gives the greatest likelihood of a negative result for Rangers. Whatever the terminology, the tribunal has already been hugely undermined by the result of the First Tier Tribunal (FTT) which found that Rangers had conducted their EBT scheme correctly with only a handful of administrative errors. Those errors have been clung to by those wishing to continue the SPL’s vendetta against the club but there have been a number of pieces of good news which have come to the attention of the Rangers Standard ahead of the tribunal, and a number of unanswered questions for those at the SPL intent on continuing this witch hunt.

    The first piece of good news is that Rangers will now be represented at the tribunal. Charles Green has quite rightly taken the view that this tribunal has no authority or relevance to the new company running the club and under the terms of insolvency obligations it was always unlikely that the old company would defend the charges. This is because the liquidators cannot be seen to spend money on legal action which brings no benefit to the creditors.

    However, the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund (RFFF) have now stepped into the grey area in which the SPL have been trying to operate and have agreed that they will underwrite the legal costs of a solicitor and a QC to attend the tribunal and fight the charges. It had been thought that the RFFF statement made last week involved costs for a subsequent legal challenge but the funds are being used to fight these charges at every step. This is a big leap forward because the SPL lawyers, Harper MacLeod, have been relying on the fact that nobody would be present to challenge their ridiculous assertion that Rangers have been “cheating”.

    The next piece of good news comes from the FTT decision. It was widely reported at the time that Rangers were found to have conducted the vast majority of their EBTs correctly. This included the tribunal members confirming that the EBT payments did in fact constitute loans, were not emoluments and therefore did not need to be declared to the SPL as they were not contractual. The tribunal was very specific on this point and it was a huge blow to the SPL’s case. However, it is also now possible to clarify the remaining point that those who have been seeking to damage the club have been clinging to.

    Those who have spent months, and in some cases years, attempting to blacken the name of the club, latched on to the fact that five players were found to have had their EBTs wrongly administered and held this up as ‘evidence’ that the club were guilty of breaching SPL rules and that they would therefore have titles stripped for the years in which those players were employed.

    In fact, entirely the opposite is the case. Once again, in their rush to attack Rangers, they have got their information completely wrong. The cases of the five players involve circumstances where they were incorrectly paid for contractual obligations through an EBT. The payments were detailed in their contract but, instead of being paid using standard methods, were paid using an EBT. This has caused them to be singled out by the FTT as administrative errors but has completely the opposite effect for this SPL tribunal as the payments in question were detailed in the players’ contracts and lodged with the SPL. So the smoking gun that the internet hordes have been clinging to for the past few months actually works in Rangers favour.

    The EBTs themselves have been shown by the FTT to be above board, correctly administered and loans, not emoluments, for the purpose of the SPL tribunal. The only EBT payments to fall foul of the FTT were in fact detailed in contracts and lodged with the SPL, so they have no reasonable recourse against either the EBTs or these contractual payments. The SPL case is dead in the water.

    However, there are still issues for the club to face because, as with the SFA tribunal which imposed an unlawful sanction on the club, this SPL tribunal is essentially a law unto itself. Nobody is casting doubt on the integrity of Lord Nimmo Smith or the two QCs who have been chosen to sit on the tribunal. I am sure they will do their job with the utmost adherence to fairness and the law. The one thing which cannot be legislated for however is the SPL’s rulebook and their lawyer’s interpretation of it.

    As with the SFA tribunal, these learned, legal figures are being asked to make judgement based on a set of rules which were never designed to deal with situations such as this. In fact the SPL rules on player registration were designed to protect the players and ensure they were always paid their contractual entitlement. They are now being bent to a different purpose by those in the SPL who wish to see Rangers punished.

    The legal minds on the tribunal have to take guidance from the SPL (and Celtic) lawyers Harper MacLeod on the interpretation of the rules and, just like the SFA tribunal, are somewhat at the mercy of those who wish to twist and bend the wording of the rules for their own means. It would appear that, in order to be successful, the SPL lawyers will have to convince the tribunal that any benefit given to a player has to be lodged with them – not just those which are contractual.

    If they are successful then this should lead to a review of every club in Scotland who give their players a company car, put them up in a hotel the night before the game or even give them a free pie or a drink in the bar after the game. That is before we even get started on image rights. This may sound ridiculous but this is now what the SPL case is based on. This is the level they will be stooping to during this tribunal and we all know that this interpretation of their rules, if successful, will only be applied to Rangers. We have already seen this in action with Ian Blair’s convenient dismissal of questions regarding the payments to Juninho by Celtic. No tribunal; no “low level paper gathering” by Harper MacLeod partner Rod McKenzie, minimal press coverage, case dismissed.

    However, it may be that the SPL themselves have some tricky questions to answer when they meet for their monthly board update the day before the tribunal starts. There are several chairmen starting to question just exactly how much this witch hunt being carried out on behalf of Celtic is costing the SPL. They are also wondering whether they are being kept up to date on the costs.

    The bill to date for Harper MacLeod’s “low level paper gathering” is estimated to be around £150-200k. This works out at around £15-20k for each of the 10 lever arch files of ‘evidence’ delivered to the SPL tribunal – not bad work if you can get it. The tribunal costs themselves, including the fees for the members of the tribunal, lawyers’ attendance and further preparatory work are likely to double this figure. Can the SPL, currently in huge financial difficulty, really afford to spend up to £400k in order to attempt to steal some titles for Celtic that they were unable to win on the pitch?

    Even if they can afford it, have the SPL board been keeping their members informed of the price of this action? Every month the board members are given a pack of information for their meetings which includes a breakdown of the costs for that month. Included in these are the figures for fees to Harper MacLeod. They obviously carry out a lot more work for the SPL than just this tribunal action but has the work related to the tribunal been included? Are only select members of the SPL board aware of the true cost of this witch hunt? I am sure Celtic would see £400k as a small price to pay to buy a few titles they couldn’t win on the pitch, but we have to assume they are not bearing the cost of this themselves.

    It would be a worthwhile exercise for the press and broadcast journalists who read this to go to those chairmen who are not part of the inner sanctum at the SPL and see if they can confirm any knowledge of just how much this is costing them. After all, there is no prospect of the SPL being able to impose a fine against the old company which ran Rangers in order to recoup costs. That comes from no less an authority than Lord Nimmo Smith himself, who made it clear the SPL tribunal was not a legal process for the purposes of the Insolvency Act, and that court action would likely be required if the SPL wished to levy a fine on the company currently going through liquidation.

    The bottom line is that Rangers are now well represented thanks to the money the fans poured into the RFFF and have a very strong case. Unless the SPL are allowed to engage in the same underhand action that the SFA took when they imposed an unlawful transfer ban on Rangers, then the club should emerge from this tribunal with titles intact and completely vindicated. I have faith in the members of the tribunal to act with integrity but I cannot say the same about the process which brought this about and that is where my concern lies.

    We will see what the outcome is soon enough but it will be a bleak day for Scottish football if the small cabal running the SPL get their way. In fact it would effectively end any chance for reconciliation in the Scottish game – reconciliation which is looking difficult enough to achieve as it is.

  3. Not The Huddle Malcontent says:

    thanks Chris, i’m surprised the TRFFF are bothering to spend money defending such an open and shut case. Looks like you have cleared it all up for us and thats the end of that then

    we can all get back on with our lives now

  4. jimmicks75 says:

    Chris Graham there, once again showcasing the genuine remorse felt by fans of his club and their ruthless pursuit of reconciliation with the rest of Scottish football.

  5. angus1983 says:

    “The cases of the five players involve circumstances where they were incorrectly paid for contractual obligations through an EBT. The payments were detailed in their contract but, instead of being paid using standard methods, were paid using an EBT.”
    ——

    I understood that these EBTs were used to make loans to players, and that these loans had to be requested.

    How could a contractual payment be “accidentally” made through such a scheme – surely an entirely different procedure would have to be followed?

    Loans. Payments. Two entirely different things.

    Mr Graham may have recognised some sort of defence in a broad sense there, but his constant inappropriate spitting of the “Celtic” word through gritted teeth lets him down badly.

    Further – Mr Green has already declared, as Mr Graham says, that TRFC/RFC will not be represented at LNS.

    I wonder why Mr Green has now accepted that RFFF will pay for the legal representation that he did not want, and I wonder why the Bears went against the wishes of Mr Green when they have been so quick to back his demand that no TRFC fans attend the Tannadice game, threatening violence and disgrace on those who do attend against the club’s wishes?

  6. angus1983 says:

    P.S. Mr Graham – I understand that HMRC have apparently appealed the Big Tax Case decision. I wouldn’t be quite so quick to claim that RFC got away with it if I were you. Lessons from history and all that.

  7. Humble Pie says:

    If only HMRC had heard of the mind that is Chris Graham QC earlier, think of all the taxpayers money they could have saved.

  8. allyjambo says:

    Seems, according to Chris Graham anyway, Rangers knew enough about contract registration to include EBTs on 5 of their players contracts. Was that by mistake, I wonder, or because they knew it was the right thing to do? I wonder, too, if these players were signed, or had signed new contracts, at the beginning or at the end of the EBT use. Perhaps tipped the wink 😉 by someone inside the SFA. Stiil, it kind of blows the lid, should the contracts be found to be illegitimate, on any defence of ‘we didn’t know EBTs should be included’ and could leave no other conclusion than it was a deliberate deception.

  9. justshatered says:

    I was interested to read on AT’s blog that the SFA have no control over the leagues that operate under their control.
    What was all the talk of them not getting involved because they were the organisation that there would be an appeal to.
    Why would you appeal to a body that has nothing to do with you?
    Also there has never been an investigation launched into the claim that these side payments were common place at Ibrox from the mid-nineties.
    The smoke screen that has focused this investigation only during the time of the SPL is another aspect of this debacle.
    The dubious payments go back further than 1999.

  10. fishnish says:

    SPL Tribunal – Good News and More Questions
    By Chris Graham

    However, it may be that the SPL themselves have some tricky questions to answer when they meet for their monthly board update the day before the tribunal starts. There are several chairmen starting to question just exactly how much this witch hunt being carried out on behalf of Celtic is costing the SPL. They are also wondering whether they are being kept up to date on the costs.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………..
    Why are fans of a newco in SFL3 even slightly bothered about what this costing the big clubs? We’ve got loads of money!!!

  11. nowoldandgrumpy says:

    Do not listen to SSB so cannot verify this tweet.

    No Pasaran ‏@NCCMick
    New reconstruction deal on the table to appease Sevco claim ssb;

  12. Humble Pie says:

    nowoldandgrumpy says:
    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 20:29

    Suggestions from RM land via Charles Green that authorities are now considering 14 14 14 setup.

  13. nowoldandgrumpy says:

    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 19:26

    A couple of points.

    If the defence is based on the FTTT findings that a loan is not a payment then as the FTTT is not yet final LNS should say they will have to wait until it is.

    If however LNS takes the view that money changed hands making it a payment by one party to another, as it was at the time, regardless if it was to be repaid or not (requiring another payment back) then LNS can then look to see if SPL rules were followed.

    The second one is the assertion as a fact that a full declaration of payments was to protect players. I asked the purpose of the rule earlier and got a different answer that meant it was to protect football NOT the player.

    The intent of the rule is important, note the intent of the rule, NOT Rangers intent in not disclosing, as the rule’s intent will govern why not declaring all payments breached the game’s integrity and so cannot be treated as a clerical error.

    This argument was predictable.

  14. pau1mart1n says:

    does the logic of the 5 being in the contract and apparently declared to the sfa (and therefore just kushty) not just mean that all the rest fall foul then ?

    cake or eat it.

  15. nowoldandgrumpy says:

    Tweets from CG’s meeting or a Monty Python Sketch

    Hampden reminds Charles Green of Broadmoor

    Charles Green has had phonecalls from investors wanting to buy 2-3million shares today

    Duff and Phelps have contacted Charles Green to move to 3 other clubs. He is willing to show a fan in audience the email on his phone.

    Charles Green says all history will be preserved.

    Charles Green says however if the authorities alter the leagues we won’t get a vote to decide as he won’t be going as he is happy in SFL3

    Charles Green says authorities are looking at 14 14 14 setup

    Charles Green reckons SFA won’t make a decision until 4 days later when the football league have their meeting

    Charles Green believes when he leaves Rangers we will NOT be playing in Scotland!!!

    Is club running ata profit? Charles Green says “no as we have very high running costs. Various staff etc that didn’t get paid off when we moved to SFL3”

    Charles Green says next year Rangers will be running at a profit.

    Charles Green says Rangers will never go bust unless supporters stop coming

    Charles Green says the Germans aren’t as hated as Rangers

    Charles Green is having a book wrote by Traynor and he will talk about EVERYTHING that has happened at Rangers since he has been here.

    Jim Traynor reckons more has to be done in press to defend Rangers.

    Jim Traynor says he is an Airdrie fan, 10 months ago he had no idea he would be here, he didn’t like how the Daily Record was going

  16. highlandjaggy says:

    If the SFA have no control over the leagues who issues the license for teams to play football in Scotland.
    Once again the SFA treat us like idiots.

  17. neepheid says:

    nowoldandgrumpy says:
    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 20:51

    Jim Traynor says he is an Airdrie fan,
    =================
    Comedy gold!

  18. Cameron Orr says:

    Shouldn’t that be an Airdrie United fan… Oh hold on…

  19. pau1mart1n says:

    “a book wrote by jim traynor”

    that’s the book launch tagline right there.

  20. highlandjaggy says:

    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 20:54

    If the SFA have no control over the leagues who issues the license for teams to play football in Scotland.
    Once again the SFA treat us like idiots.
    ======================
    The licencing system is exactly how control over clubs should be exercised but that is over clubs not the leagues themselves. However it was the failure to police licencing properly, aided and abbetted by loose rules, subsequently tightened by UEFA under FFP for SPL clubs, that alllowed this situation to develop.

    Clarification of the SFA role and purpose could now be added to the list of trust restoring measures.

  21. arabest1 says:

    he didn’t like how the Daily Record was going
    —————————————————————————

    🙂 🙂 🙂

    I’m grateful to the forensic skills of many on here, this kind of detail washes over me….but I seem to remember Billy Dodds, stating unequivocally that David Murray called him in person, and told him his outstanding CONTRACT at Rangers will be paid through the trust, or words to that effect. So, the payment WAS contractual, and no less a figure than SDM made the offer, this was no mix up this was a policy, clearly designed to cut costs…tax costs, but the FTT finished 1-1 and is currently playing extra time, but as for the rules on contractual payments………..

    Guilty m’lud……

  22. nowoldandgrumpy says:

    Charles Green said “that there would be two years season ticket money in this years accounts that will help with the loss, while the wage bill is own it still has to be met plus other operating costs”

    How can he then state that they would be in profit next year with no season ticket money in that year?

  23. parmahamster says:

    Humble Pie says:

    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 20:36
    ____________________________________________________________________________

    nowoldandgrumpy says:
    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 20:29
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So both SSB and PoodleMedia say that Chico Verde’s plan is being considered. That’s like the Sun saying Cameron’s in tune with the nation as a whole over Europe – entirely predictable and entirely horses*it.

    As for the thinking bogit’s bogit Mr Graham, quite why he thinks this ‘vendetta’ is being driven to have titles stripped from Oldco just to give them to Celtic beats me. If he was to pay careful attention to the views of the Celtic support in general, he’d find that the vast majority do not want any of these titles awarded to them. Their view is that any record book should show either a white space or an asterisk where Oldco’s name used to be, together with the reason why it was removed.

    In other words, to show the world at large that justice was done and indeed was seen to have been done. And to remind future generations of what happened at the time and that cheats will always be found out, sooner or later. These are the things that Mr Graham steadfastly refuses to get his head around – remorse, contrition, justice. To paraphrase Leona Helmsley’s famous comment about paying tax, “That’s for the little people”, Graham is saying quite clearly that these feelings are not for “ra peepul”.

  24. tombrann says:

    I am realy fed up listening to the people who think they are, constantly contradicting themselves. They love telling anyone prepared to listen that they are happy in the 3rd Division, that they want to progress through the leagues and almost in the same breath, they then say that they think they should be at the top table as they are such a vital part of Scottish football.
    It appears that it is not only CG who speaks with either a forked tongue, or one that is firmly implanted in his cheek

  25. goosygoosy says:

    nowoldandgrumpy says:
    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 21:25
    ,,,,,

    “Charles Green said”

    I never read any further

    It stops me from getting humpy grumpy

  26. fistasapart says:

    Disappointed Chris Graham never threw in the ‘Chewbacca defence’ at the end to give his diatribe a bit of credibility.

  27. bellshilltim says:

    So, who exactly is the RFFF solicitor acting on behalf of? Can’t be Charles Green’s Rangers because that would be admitting they were the same club/company as deid Rangers who cheated. And it can’t be deid Rangers, cos they’re, well, deid.

    Interestingly, Samaras’ lawyer had a blog about fans taking authorities to court, I think it was the Juve fans in relation to the titles they lost due to cheating. The court case was thrown out on the basis that the fans weren’t a legal entity belonging to the club therefore they didn’t have jurisdiction to act on their behalf. At least, I think that was the jist of it.

    Anyone know who’s being represented?

  28. ecobhoy says:

    I just don’t believe the RFFF can turn up at the SPL Hearing with a lawyer and QC and demand to be allowed to participate – on what grounds do they have any locus?

    Could be just a delaying ploy so that when they aren’t allowed to take part they then take court action which won’t of course land Green or TRFCL in any soapy bubble with the SFA. RFFF won’t win but it might drag things out.

    Or perhaps its just to get the Bears enraged yet again at the injustice of it all, fed by our friends in the MSM.

    I see the tweets on Green’s meeting with the fans didn’t seem to actually promise that the fans’ wishes on the matter, whatever they are, would be respected but seemed to suggest that maybe the fans could buy the renaming rights if they offered more than anyone else. Wonder what the fans would rename it? Ibrox Stadium? This is all getting so wierd.

    And according to Traynor they have only made £10 million from the flotation – wonder where Ally is going to get his warchest from. Strange to hear a CEO of a public company say he could get it into profit by Friday with making staff redundant but apparently doesn’t want a bloodbath. If the share price heads south I think the shareholders will be making that decision.

    Well one piece of good news – remember charlie said that he was staying still he heard the Champions League music. Well he now says he’s staying till he’s 70 – so good news for Celtic for the next 10 years 🙂

    Most of the rest was even more mince and moonbeams.

  29. nowoldandgrumpy says:

    ecobhoy says:
    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 22:33

    Well one piece of good news – remember charlie said that he was staying still he heard the Champions League music. Well he now says he’s staying till he’s 70
    ================

    Don’t tell anyone but he is really 69. It’s a secret.

  30. Not The Huddle Malcontent says:

    has charles green just told the TRFC fans to pay him NOT to rename teh stadium?

    the man is a genius

    also, can anyone explain how a debt free club that has just raised £22.5M in a share issue and sold £10M in season tickets and is playing with a wage cost of about 6m (according to chuckles himself) is not going to make a profit this year, but WILL manage it next year when they don’t have the £22.5M and they are spending £10M on new signings for ally’s charge on the 2nd division?

  31. Going through the SFA Scotland United 20/20 Vision that was buried on their web site. This is what it says on their values with my addition in Caps.

    ” The Scottish FA takes its values seriously. Without values, the vision will be
    blurred and the goals unfulfilled. Values are more than a set of words: they
    represent a mirror for the organisation as a whole, its staff members and
    volunteers to ensure the highest standards of professionalism are achieved
    and maintained. The Scottish FA’s values should be reflected in all that we do,
    both internally and externally.

    WE AIM TO BE (are) open, honest and trusted to do the right thing, in a
    manner that reflects the highest standards of integrity

    WE AIM TO BE (are) dynamic, enthusiastic and proactive in delivering
    the highest standards of performance

    WE AIM TO act in a business-like, responsive and correct manner

    WE AIM TO involve, engage and listen, treating everyone in a
    considerate and dignified manner

    WE AIM to work together as a team, behaving in an equitable and
    inclusive manner

    We are excited and enthused by all that we do. – GOOD

    WE AIM ( are driven and committed) to excel in all aspects of
    quality and service

    Positivity
    Professionalism
    Respectful
    Unified
    Passionate
    Ambitious”

    Thus values, by the additions, become objectives and in the TSFM draft resolution the SFA have the opportunity to become open, honest and trusted to do the right thing but that opportunity has to be taken or its just words on paper. Addressing the issues raised in the draft, reporting how they will be addressed or providing persuasive arguments why they are not relevant, this is how to become trusted.

    However and more important, the one thing missing from the SFA goal is making sporting integrity paramount. Now this might be that in Jan 2011 when the goals were being discussed the need was not seen or foreseen. Clubs were perceived as always behaving with sporting integrity until the Rangers story unfolded or unravelled. So perhaps the need to remind everyone football requires the integrity of sport to flourish was not even considered as a requirement that needed to be stated at all and so it does not feature in the mission statement.

    But it is now Jan 2012 and Scottish football resembles more of a battleground than a sport and the aims of 2011 (many of which are laudable and credit for already achieving some should be given) should be revisited to not only make sporting integrity a top goal, but to set out exactly how the SFA and the SPL will work together to address the list of issues in the draft resolution as a evidence that they are serious about meeting the values they aim to uphold – and no “jurisdiction” excuses.

    A suggestion if the SFA are reading. In 2011 when Celtic had unhappy supporters to address they, along with the Celtic Trust embarked on a series of “Roadshows” to address the supporter concerns listed?.

    Why does the SFA not do the same with the supporter trusts or association representatives as an audience but also include an invite to representatives of the bloggers who have voiced their concerns over a number of internet blogs who are anything but bampots?

  32. HirsutePursuit says:

    Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 23:18
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    has charles green just told the TRFC fans to pay him NOT to rename the stadium?

    the man is a genius

    also, can anyone explain how a debt free club that has just raised £22.5M in a share issue and sold £10M in season tickets and is playing with a wage cost of about 6m (according to chuckles himself) is not going to make a profit this year, but WILL manage it next year when they don’t have the £22.5M and they are spending £10M on new signings for ally’s charge on the 2nd division?
    ===================================
    The club did not have share issue. That was the club’s holding company. I’d be surprise if much of that will trickle down. Even if it does, it’s certain to be in the form of a loan from the parent company – where RIFC will hold a floating charge over the club’s assets. Sound familiar?

    No, the RIFC plc share issue will have done nothing to make the club (RFC Ltd) more profitable.

    I think the value of season tickets is likely to have been nearer £9m gross and only £7m or £8m once VAT was paid. Match day sales and commercial revenues might add another £1m – £2m to the pot. I’d be surprised if the club’s annual expenditure is anything less than £11m.

    Mr Green reported a few weeks ago that the fans should expect a 25% rise in season ticket prices next year. If they buy them in the same numbers as this season, that just might see them break even.

  33. StevieBC says:

    SFA, taxpayers’ money, Campbell Ogilvie – and Trust.
    ============================================
    From my first scan of the SFA document, I picked up a couple of specific points;

    1) The SFA wants to be perceived as a ‘trusted’ organisation.

    Rightly or wrongly, the public perception – in the main IMHO – is that the current SFA President CANNOT be trusted.
    It doesn’t matter how many glossy brochures/presentations are produced by the SFA for as long as Ogilvie remains in office it’s just words – and the SFA will continue to be regarded with suspicion by most of their customers.
    The SFA has to take appropriate action to start to regain the trust lost in the recent past.

    2) The SFA wants to be entrusted with more taxpayers money, (my interpretation).

    An extract from the document on Page 25;

    “…Opportunities for Increased Revenue

    New relationship with new government.”

    If the public does not trust the SFA, then why the hell does this dysfunctional organisation believe it deserves any taxpayers’ money – never mind more public money?

    The SFA needs to reconnect – and visibly attempt to reconnect – with the fans.
    Surveys and Fans Charters are not nearly enough.
    I like Auldheid’s idea that the SFA meets the fans face to face, e.g. Regan himself travels around the country to meet the fans in an organised manner.

    Yes Regan would be in for some uncomfortable questioning and accusations – but IMO it will be appreciated – and fans would see the SFA was sincere in collecting fans’ input.

    He would also get a clear impression of the strength of feeling wrt the SFA felt across the whole country – and not just in the West of Scotland.

    Stating the bleedin’ obvious again… ? 🙄

  34. Auldheid says:

    Correction: the Roadshows happened in 2010. Another senile mo.

  35. HirsutePursuit says:

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  36. So if the TRFC faithful hand Mr Green enough ‘free money’ he will allow them to continue to call their home ground the same name as they have always called it. This reeks af absolute desperatioin from Mr Green. He needs money and he needs it ASAP. How would other fans interprate these comments coming from their own team? If the Aberdeen chairman stated that in order for their fans to continue calling the home ground Pittodrie they would have to stump up £1.5 million what would the reaction be. I am sure the first question would be WHY? The second question would then have to be: How bad is our financial situation? There is no way even the most gullible of TRFC fans will stump up for this. Is there? I think the situation over at Ibrox just deteriorated somewhat.

  37. Not The Huddle Malcontent says:

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    HP, don’t think it’s anything suspicious, i had a couple go into mod last night and they popped up a short time later.

    then again – you’ve got previous for being a disruptive influence 🙂 hahahahahahah (just kidding, everyone relax)

  38. finloch says:

    Its almost Burns Night and the SFA mission stuff brings to mind one of The Bard’s insightful offerings.
    It was written after he had spotted a woman in all her finery in front of him in church.
    She was dressed up to all the nines – but to Burns amusement he could see a louse wiggling about on her fancy hat.

    It rings true today with a resounding resonance about the SFA and the glossy public image in their brochure.
    And Burn’s insight gently mocks the pompous, empty rhetoric in their mission statements.

    And not just the SFA – it could be easily attributed as a critique of all the players in the 5 way agreement.

    So here is Burns last verse and below a simple translation of the words no longer in common parlance for the non Scots.

    “O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
    To see oursels as others see us
    It wad frae monie a blunder free us
    An’ foolish notion
    What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us
    An’ ev’n Devotion”

    … Oh, that God would give us the ability to see ourselves as the fans do.
    It would save us from sloppy play and own goals.
    And with the new knowledge we could change inside and out for the better…

  39. iamacant says:

    RANGERS fans have accused Dundee United supporters of trying to spark trouble by wearing Craig Whyte masks during their Scottish Cup clash next month.

    An Arabs fan group have created replica faces of the shamed former Ibrox owner in a bid to poke fun at the Division Three club a week on Saturday.

    But John McMillan, Rangers Supporters Association general secretary, slammed the stunt as provocative and liable to lead to violence.

    The Ibrox club are boycotting the fixture but around 200 Gers fans are expected to defy the ban and attend the clash.

    However, McMillan insists the masks are not funny and urged the Tayside club to ensure their is no goading of any Rangers fans who travel.

    He said: “I was anticipating the United supporters doing something but I didn’t think they would stoop to this.

    “It’s out of order and Dundee United as a club should do all they can to prevent their fans from carrying this threat through.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-fans-angry-at-dundee-united-1552600

    I didn’t read anything in the article that said Dundee United fans were looking for “violence” – John McMillan and his Sevco band must be awfy touchy if offended by a mask. Why would a mask “lead to violence” Mr McMillan? It wouldn’t be because you know your supporters too well, would it? C’mon, its only Dundee, it’s not Manchester or Barcelona or Pamplona.

  40. goosygoosy says:

    ecobhoy says:
    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 22:33

    I just don’t believe the RFFF can turn up at the SPL Hearing with a lawyer and QC and demand to be allowed to participate – on what grounds do they have any locus?
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,
    How about they turn up with 500 dignified supporters shouting threats?

    Worked before

  41. ecobhoy says:

    ecobhoy says:
    Wednesday, January 23, 2013 at 22:33

    I just don’t believe the RFFF can turn up at the SPL Hearing with a lawyer and QC and demand to be allowed to participate – on what grounds do they have any locus?
    ——————————————————————————————————

    From my reading of Richard Wilson in The Herald today the FTTT will be representing oldco but I don’t see a quote from BDO. Is this why the RFFF have a seat on the BDO liquidation committee?

  42. torrejohnbhoy says:

    ecobhoy says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:16
    =================================================================
    I don’t think RFFF have a place on the committee as such.The guy who was chairman of RFFF has but opinion was this was as a creditor.Maybe a debenture holder.
    Also,I think RFFF announced they would fund Rangers representation,not actually appear themselves.Like everything else though,the facts are clouded in double speak.

  43. scottc says:

    torrejohnbhoy says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:32


    Also,I think RFFF announced they would fund Rangers representation,not actually appear themselves.Like everything else though,the facts are clouded in double speak.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I think this is correct but would then require either BDO or Charles Green (if Newco) to make that decision. I don’t think BDO can make that decision as it matters not a jot to the liquidation if RFC(IL) are found guilty or innocent and if any money was offered to ‘pay for legal services’ it should rightly be claimed for the creditors and not squandered on lawyers fees.

  44. torrejohnbhoy says:

    scottc says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:38
    ==================================================================
    Did Corsica(I think) not inform us that RFFC were not registered as a legal body anywhere and as such could not take any action against anyone?.

  45. chipsandblog says:

    It was mentioned that CG stated there would be 2 years season ticket money in this years accounts. Why ?

  46. Not The Huddle Malcontent says:

    If the RFFF (supporters) can walk into this hearing…why can’t I as a Celtic support appear?

    I have strong feelings about this, my club suffered lost titles due to them having incorrectly registered players – i’ll present the press clippings on the “letters of intent!, mark daly tv shows, the Martin Bain documents about shredding docs/disguising payments as a bonus through an ebt – like they do with players as evidence of wrong doing. Not to mention wee dodsy telling us all he was paid his contractual entitlement through an EBT.

    I surely have as much right to appear – no?

  47. scottc says:

    torrejohnbhoy says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:42

    scottc says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:38
    ==================================================================
    Did Corsica(I think) not inform us that RFFC were not registered as a legal body anywhere and as such could not take any action against anyone?.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, he did. That, In my opinion, is why they can only offer to pay for someone else to ‘take action’. It’s not their fight.

  48. torrejohnbhoy says:

    chipsandblog says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:42

    It was mentioned that CG stated there would be 2 years season ticket money in this years accounts. Why ?
    =======================================================
    Change of accounting dates.financial year moved back until end of May,therefore any ST money for next season paid before then would show in this years accounts.

  49. scottc says:

    chipsandblog says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:42

    It was mentioned that CG stated there would be 2 years season ticket money in this years accounts. Why ?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Because CG changed his accounting period so that there would be. However, it also means that in future years the ST money will only arrive at the end of the accounting period. Won’t change anything really except making this years accounts look a little better.

  50. HirsutePursuit says:

    Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
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    HP, don’t think it’s anything suspicious, i had a couple go into mod last night and they popped up a short time later.

    then again – you’ve got previous for being a disruptive influence hahahahahahah (just kidding, everyone relax)
    ======================
    🙂

  51. ianagain says:

    From the SFA rules governing Judicial tribunals. Seems its wide open to anyone.

    8.3 General powers
    8.3.1 T he Tribunal may adopt such procedures as it considers appropriate for the
    Determination of the matter before it and, in the exercise of its general
    procedural discretion, it may amongst other things:
    8.3.1.1 D ecide when and where proceedings are to be conducted;
    8.3.1.2 D ecide whether the Party(s) are to submit written submissions and, if so,
    when they should do so and the extent to which such submissions may
    be amended;
    8.3.1.3 D ecide upon the admissibility, relevance, materiality and weight of any
    evidence;
    8.3.1.4 D ecide whether any documents or other evidence should be disclosed by
    or to any Party(s) and, if so, when such disclosures are to be made and
    to whom copies of the disclosed documents and information are to be
    given;
    8.3.1.5 D ecide whether any and, if so, what questions are to be put to and
    answered by the Party(s);
    judicial panel protocol
    8
    8.3.1.6 D ecide whether and, if so, to what extent, the Tribunal should take
    the initiative in ascertaining the facts and the law;
    8.3.1.7 Hear representations from any person or body, if it considers it to be
    appropriate to do so;
    8.3.1.8 Hear submissions and evidence and/or proceed to its Determination in
    the absence of a Party where it is content that such Party has had fair
    notice of proceedings or any particular element of such proceedings;
    8.3.1.9 D ecide the extent to which proceedings are to proceed by way of:
    (i) hearings for the questioning of the Party(s);
    (ii) written or oral argument;
    (iii) presentation or inspection of documents or other evidence;
    and
    (iv) submission of documents or other evidence;
    8.3.1.10 D ecide upon an extension or abridgement of any time limit;
    8.3.1.11 A mend or dispense with any procedural steps set out in the Protocol;
    and/or
    8.3.1.12 D ecide upon the language to be used in proceedings (and whether
    a Party(s) are to supply translations of any document or other
    evidence).
    8.3.2 Where a matter arises that is not otherwise provided for in the Protocol, the
    Tribunal shall have the discretion to resolve the matter as it sees fit, provided
    that such resolution does not materially undermine the reliability of the
    proceedings or otherwise cause material injustice to the Parties. A Tribunal
    may, where it considers it to be appropriate to do so, in the interests of
    justice, depart from express procedural provisions within this Protocol. Where
    a Tribunal departs from express provisions of this Protocol, such shall not
    invalidate the proceedings. In the event of any discrepancy in the crossreferencing
    of provisions, a Tribunal may disregard such discrepancy and give
    effect to the appropriate provision.

  52. manandboy says:

    From the SFA Mission Statement. A Testament to Incompetence.

    “JANUARY 12, 2011. It is a date that should be remembered
    as the day the Scottish FA took its first steps
    towards the most radical overhaul in its 138-year history.
    Traditions and heritage are the foundations of our
    national game. Yet they can also be a barrier to progress.
    Football is now a multi-billion pound global industry and
    we have to acknowledge the changing landscape. The
    Review of Scottish Football published by Henry McLeish,
    the former First Minister, presented the Association with
    a number of challenges and home truths. One-hundred
    and three, to be precise.

    Cognisant of the ever-evolving football landscape, the
    McLeish Review provided the Scottish FA with an ideal
    platform on which to build and launch a new vision and
    complementary values and goals.

    Vision in football can often be described as myopic or
    cloaked in self-interest.

    It is why the two-day meeting held in the Bellshill Hilton at
    the turn of the year should prove to be one of the most
    significant in the Scottish FA’s historical timeline.

    The 11-strong Board of Directors and the Association’s
    Corporate Management Team were invited to confront a
    brutal and sobering reality by Alistair Gray, MD of the
    world-leading sports consultants, Renaissance and Co.

    The reality was of a hard-working and diligent
    governing body whose responsibility as custodians of the
    game had become devalued by:
    a lack of core purpose
    a lack of clarity in its operations
    a failure to engage efficiently and effectively with its
    stakeholders in the 21st Century.

    This was not the considered opinion of the external
    expert but – far more powerfully – the conclusions
    developed and agreed by the executive and senior
    management of the Scottish FA.

    Over the course of the next two days, a period of
    introspection, strategic analysis and frank exchange
    culminated in a seismic outcome: change was not only
    essential, but radical and urgent.

    The subsequent hours, weeks and months has
    culminated in the most wide-ranging Strategic Plan in
    the Scottish FA’s history; the results of which are
    contained within this publication.

    A strategic plan is nothing without willingness,
    leadership and a collective commitment and determination
    to see the plan through to its conclusion.

    As a point of reference, ‘From Good to Great’, written by Jim Collins,
    proved an invaluable tome in outlining the possibilities
    for modern, strategic and driven blue-chip company.

    Scottish football’s governing body should be no different
    in its objectives.
    It is why the two-day meeting held in the Bellshill Hilton at
    the turn of the year should prove to be one of the most
    significant in the Scottish FA’s historical timeline.”
    ________________________

    In January 2011, Stewart Regan, together with the 11 man Board of the SFA, and the Corporate Management Team of the SFA, knew more or less everything that was required to ‘radically and urgently’ bring the SFA up to scratch. (the details are in the Jan 2013 Mission Statement.)

    Question. How come, on Feb 14th 2012, when RFC went into Administration, they all suddenly and together suffered apparent total amnesia about what they had all learned in a hotel in Bellshill?

    And how come not one word of “the most wide-ranging Strategic Plan in the Scottish FA’s history” was applied in the aftermath of RFC going into Administration?

    It was urgent, they said.

    All they had to do was see the plan through as, in their own words,
    “A strategic plan is nothing without willingness, leadership and a collective commitment and determination to see the plan through to its conclusion.”

    And so we see that the new vision, the strategic plan, was only for all the other teams but not for RFC, even though their need was the greatest and most urgent.

    Now, 2 years after Bellshill, the utterly incompetent and corrupt SFA want to implement the new vision for Scottish Football.

    I don’t think so.

    I’ll let Stewart Regan have the last word:

    “Vision in football can often be described as myopic or cloaked in self-interest.”

    (The original text contains a number of errors some of which I’ve corrected for the sake of clarity)

  53. abigboydiditandranaway says:

    Auldheid says:

    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 00.13

    The SFA aim, aim and aim again to achieve certain standards which should be a given for any fair honest, open and transparent organisation in the second decade of THE 21ST CENTURY!!!…The values they are aiming for are self evident in any business wort it’s salt…

    Given that any business worth it’s salt would espouse these values and indeed have them enshrined as part of their historical ethos you’ll forgive me if I don’t hold my breath.

    Going on past experience they couldn’t hit a cow’s a##e with a banjo, so they can aim all they want…

    I’d be keener to put my trust in William Burroughs’ aim and we all know what happened there don’t we?

  54. finchleyflyer says:

    Re the “two seasons worth of season ticket money” stuff. The money may well have been received and will appear in the balance sheet, but the actual sale will also be held in the balance sheet as deferred income. You cannot book sales for a future period in the current year’s P&L. Similarly, the money raised through the flotation is not “profit”, and will not appear in this year’s P&L. The cash received will be in the balance sheet, matched by an increase in shareholders’ funds.

    So, Green’s recent statement that Sevco won’t make a profit this year does not mean the company is about to run out of cash. However, unless it does deliver a consistent profit over future years, the cash will eventually run out. But then, they know that, don’t they? I mean, its not as if they don’t have an existing example of a financial model which has proven to not have worked!

    As the old saying goes; sales are vanity, profit is sanity, cash is reality.

  55. abigboydiditandranaway says:

    please forgive the repeated use of “worth it’s salt”…

    i usually pepper my posts with a greater variety of well known sayings!!!

    anyway, instead of spending time making up new mission statements couldn’t they just have gone with the 19th Century one?…I’ll bet it has something in it about following the rules!!!

  56. smugas says:

    “I’d be keener to put my trust in William Burroughs’ aim and we all know what happened there don’t we?”

    On behalf of all the thickies on here……..em, no!

    Just me then.

  57. abigboydiditandranaway says:

    smugas

    he killed his wife…

    shot her with a crossbow…

    AND nae kiddin’, he was trying to shoot an apple off her head!!!

  58. abigboydiditandranaway says:

    so he said!!!

    and he got away with it!!!

    like a few we could mention…got away with murder!!!

  59. prohibby says:

    Carfins Finest. (@edunne58) says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 09:27

    So if the TRFC faithful hand Mr Green enough ‘free money’ he will allow them to continue to call their home ground the same name as they have always called it. This reeks af absolute desperatioin from Mr Green.
    ________
    I think you are right CF. Mr Green no doubt hopes the fans will stump up and I believe Mr McCoist thinks it will be alright so long as Ibrox is kept in the title. I suppose it will become Sport’s Direst Ibrox – Oops, sorry! Another ‘technical’ error, I obviously meant Sports Direct, Ibrox.

  60. angus1983 says:

    Where can a chap donate a tenner to pay for some Craig Whyte masks to be given out at the Dundee United game?

    What a wizard wheeze. 🙂

  61. manandboy says:

    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 12:05

    abigboydiditandranaway says:

    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 12:27
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In reading the20/20 Vision paper I recognised the process used in terms of establishing purpose as the start point. The process was called the Logframe and used to my certain knowledge by International Development organisations like USAID or DFID.

    It is a disciplined and complex process but it not only sets out goals but the process/projects that need to be undertaken to achieve them, the riks/barrier to be overcome/reduced AND visible indicators of success. Logframe is short for logical framework and it looks from the SFA Vision statement that only the earlier part of the process has taken place.

    The latter sections are a necessity if the front end is not simply to become shelfware or a pamphlet to hand out to to answer awkward questions.

    Part of that process is risk/barrier assessment, but I’ll cut the SFA some slack in that in 2011 they could not have foreseen the huge risks to their stated aim of being a trusted organisation that the consequences of the Rangers collapse into liquidation was going to be. Could anyone have foreseen the arrival of D&E and then CG?

    However we now are where we are and the lessons of 2012 have to be heeded and the mission statement revisited to make sporting integrity and restoring trust in the SFA a number one goal and the barriers to doing so identified and addressed.

    For the geeky 🙂 here are a couple of links to logframe material.

    http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Documents/publications1/how-to-guid-rev-log-fmwk.pdf (Sect 7)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_framework_approach

    The philosopy contained could also be adapted to engage with representative supporter groups ie agreed goal setting, how to get there, barriers and risks, reducing/removing them and visible sign that the goal (or in later terminology the impact) aimed for has been achieved.

  62. manandboy says:

    Anyone wishing an insight into the psyche of the former establishment club might try the 16.01.2013 edition of the Nolan Show on BBC NI.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fc5L5p6aYyM .

    Football? Only an excuse.

  63. goosygoosy says:

    chipsandblog says:
    Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:42

    It was mentioned that CG stated there would be 2 years season ticket money in this years accounts. Why ?
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Think it could be a misprint

    Maybe he actually said

    “there would be 2 years season ticket money owed to Ticketus in this years accounts”

  64. ohhappydayz says:

    SSN 2 items concerning Sevco

    Mr Green going to rename stadium to the tune of £2.5 million, but Ibrox has to remain in the name somewhere.

    Point 2 Peterhead had to apologise to Sevco because of some after match comments.

    Can we not make this easier if we contact all clubs in Scotland and ask them to apologise in advance of playing Sevco.

  65. Robert Coyle says:

    Kenny shiels taking it on the chin,just once i wish someone with the evidence they claimed to have go the whole way with the S.F.A..

    Kilmarnock

    Kenny Shiels given two game ban for claiming official ‘fabricated evidence’
    STV 24 January 2013 13:10 GMT

    Kenny Shiels has been handed a two-match touchline ban.SNS Group

    Kenny Shiels has been given a two-match ban for comments he made about fourth official Andrew Dallas.

    The Kilmarnock manager was called before the SFA to explain comments that suggested Dallas fabricated evidence against him, following an altercation with the official in November 2012.

    Following the hearing, Shiels said: “I brought in evidence to disprove the fourth official, who fabricated stuff to try and incriminate me. I don’t like that.

    “The fabrication was outrageous.”

    Shiels was initially called before the regulatory body on December 13 for alleged misconduct during Kilmarnock’s match with St Johnstone on November 24, which saw the Perth side claim a last-minute victory and Manuel Pascali sent off early on.

    The Northern Irishman was charged with “comments on radio and in a newspaper article that are alleged to impinge on the character of a match official”, while he was cleared of “dissent, adopting an aggressive attitude and by the use of offensive, insulting or abusive language”.

    The ruling body gave Shiels a three-match touchline ban following the hearing, with a further two matches suspended. That two-match suspended sentence has now been enforced.

    However, following that hearing Shiels alleged that Andrew Dallas, the assistant referee who was providing witness testimony, had fabricated evidence and “acted in a manipulative and devious manner” to strengthen his case against the Kilmarnock manager.

    Shiels said that he stands by his comments, but wishes to move on and will not appeal the decision.

    http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/kilmarnock/211207-kenny-shiels-given-two-game-ban-for-claiming-official-fabricated-evidence/

  66. torrejohnbhoy says:

    According to this CG didn’t even pay 1p for his shares:
    Trade Date Action Notifier Price Currency Amount Holding
    19-Dec-12 Notification of Holding Charles A Green 0 0 5071629

  67. celt4life says:

    Sports direct stadium has been done before may I suggest…

    Mike Ashley Sports Stadium…

    They could then have world record amounts of peepul going to MASS every other weekend!

  68. Had a wee chuckle to myself yesterday while listening to Clyde 2 in the car ,at 11am they play 4 in a row and one of the requests was Penny Arcade and as we know it is a favourite over Govan way ,is this what they are reduced to ,what happened to the big casino project ,big difference is there not between a BIG Casino and a penny arcade,reality has kicked in.

  69. iceman63 says:

    Charlie G exit strategy taking shape – expect to see TRFC in administration by season’s end whilst RIFC still trades – He and his cohorts will have all of the assets a second season of ticket book moneys and a holding company still operating.

    Scottish football will be left to pick up the pieces as desperate berzz are forced to buy TRFC – the company running the club from RIFC the company they bought shares in. If he is charging them 1.5 million not to change the stadium name then I reckon he can chare three to four times that to get them to purchase TRFC whilst he still owns the heritable assets of Ibrox and Murray Park in order to allow them to continue playing. They will then of course need to repurchase the season books for next season as CG will have waltzed off with their first payments.

    Gotta laugh.

    By next season some desperate Rangers fans will have bought a club twice,paid twice for their season tickets, and still be paying rent to another company for the privilege of playing in the third tier of Scottish football.

    No doubt according to Chris Graham that will all be Pater Lawwell’s doing.