Hello

Welcome. As Mark Dickson suggested, this is a forum to discuss how the legacy of RTC can be honoured and continued.

The mechanics of how we move forward, if there is an appetite for it can be discussed freely.

Kicking off with no particular shopping list, I think that the key is that moderation is kept to a minimum, that people should by and large be encouraged to self moderate, and that the ethos put in place by RTC would be welcome.

In the post RTC era, I suspect that readership of any new blog will decrease. The consequence of that will hopefully be that there is less of what RTC called a fan site and therefore an easier to moderate situation.

I think that in the first instance, the site should look as close to RTC as possible to make people feel at home, but a name has to be found.

Suggested items for discussion;

Name for blog

Moderation policy

Moderation board members

Anything else 🙂

Below, there is a poll to consider which of the three most popular names mentioned so far should be chosen for the blog. I’ll let the poll run until 1900 hrs on Wednesday and we can move on from there to other more substantial matters.

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The Scottish Football Monitor is following the lead of RangersTaxCase in an attempt to hold the Scottish mainstream media to account and to question. If they do not ask the difficult questions, we will.

447 Responses to Hello

  1. Charlie Oscar says:

    MD
    You´d have thought the provincial teams (unfairly and confrontationally named the “gang of ten”) would be anxious to put forward the proposals related to changing the voting structure for the SPL asap.
    Could Celtic attempt the “overly influential or domineering behaviour” you talk of to head off any voting change as they point to a new set-up for 2013/14 ?

  2. ”If you don't need to know, you don't get to hear.” says:

    Charlie Oscar says:
    August 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Further down the line someone may like to attempt a more objective blog, perhaps linked with the probable league reconstruction debate thet will emerge after Xmas.
    …………………………………………………………………………………..

    Great suggestion Cambell..an while they are at it, they should also attempt to create a large (triggers)broom to sweep all the current, previous & future abhorent abuses under the SFA/SPL shagpile axminster just in time for santa…!!

  3. bangordub says:

    ”If you don’t need to know, you don’t get to hear.” says:
    August 1, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Don’t feed the Troll mate………..

  4. ”If you don't need to know, you don't get to hear.” says:

    sorry …a couldn’t resist ..bangordub 🙂

  5. Mark Dickson says:

    Auldheid says:
    August 1, 2012 at 5:54 pm
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    RTC didn’t begin with any objective other than to raise awareness of that subject matter and the issues that arose from it and sprang from a dissatisfaction with the then current state of affairs.
    This blog similarly springs from the same sources of dissatisfaction and the sense that the battle is not yet over or won indeed it might only be half time?
    I posted a far from exclusive list of unresolved issues or gripes and the challenge that RTC set us was to continue to be vigilant and keep up the pressure on the powers that be within Scottish football to act in an honest and transparent way as opposed to shady backroom deals and sweeping things under the carpet.
    People will make up their own mind about what sources of information they will seek and what action they will take – all we can do is try to be relevant and informative?

  6. Mark Dickson says:

    Charlie Oscar says:
    August 1, 2012 at 5:57 pm
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    MD
    You´d have thought the provincial teams (unfairly and confrontationally named the “gang of ten”) would be anxious to put forward the proposals related to changing the voting structure for the SPL asap.
    Could Celtic attempt the “overly influential or domineering behaviour” you talk of to head off any voting change as they point to a new set-up for 2013/14 ?
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    CO – until and unless Rangers hand over their SPL share to Dundee FC then the status quo remains as even at the recent SPL AGM Rangers & Celtic would be able to veto any changes they didn’t want or agree with. Let’s see what transpires once the 11-1 voting requirement doesn’t have the backstop of the Glasgow clubs acting in concert to protect their mutual interests.

  7. Zilch says:

    Been lurking on RTC for a long time – generally awestruck by the quality of many of the posts, but did not post myself till now.

    RTC has established THE most important point for sharing ideas and discussing the future of not just Scottish football, but mainstream media reporting, shady business dealings, dodgy bankers, potentially corrupt officials, political intereference – the list grows longer and longer.

    For me RTC is / was about much more than football. It gives us a chance to look at the Scottish Establishment and examine the corrosive effect of the WATP attitude that is most vociferously voiced at Ibrox but really permeates many social strata outside that establishment.

    The Rangers Tax Case name, and all that it stands for, should be left exclusively to RTC so that he / she can protect its legacy as he/she sees fit (in my opinion). I hope the new name for this blog will reflect the continued focus on Integrity – this is the key issue for me – for football governance, for media reporting, for Scottish business and politics as they interact with the beautiful game.

    The Scottish Football Monitor works for me and would hopefully be as inclusive as possible. Our mission should be to expose and oppose corruption in our game wherever and whenever it is discovered.

    Let’s hope the relief the MSM undoubtedly felt when RTC suggested hanging up the boots was fleeting. We are still here, still vigilant and still ready to defend the integrity of the sport.

  8. Charlie Oscar says:

    MD
    Fair enough but that´s only 48 hours away.

  9. Teemac says:

    I think that one of the sites main objectives should be to discredit poor/lazy journalism at every turn. It was suggested by someone the other day that we have a “boycott the MSM rags day”. I think this is a great idea and would suggest Monday the 20th so as not to interfere with the reporting of “Sell out Saturday”. If we could get this on all the main fans forums up and down the country it could have a real impact

  10. manandboy says:

    Zilch says:
    August 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Hi Zilch, or should it be Jack.

    If I were you Jack, this is precisely the message I would be giving to RTC and posters.

    Funny how you’ve never posted before and yet now at this critical moment you pop up to advise us how to TERMINATE RTC as ” THE most important point for sharing ideas . . . “.

    If RTC were to stop now and the name be retired, it would be suicide for everything the site stands for.

    And you know it.

    So good try, Jack. I’m sure it won’t be the last.

    BTW, how’s your depression today? Keep those shades handy.

  11. Auldheid says:
    August 1, 2012 at 5:54 pm
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    Night Terror says:

    August 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    This new site cannot afford to lose sight of its Raison d’être or it will die. if it is to be half as successful as its father, it MUST maintain standards of dignity, respect, honesty and above all, integrity as without this it will be nothing more than a learned version of yahoo’s spl pages and that must never be allowed to happen.
    I believe in integrity and fairness and a game in which all teams can compete without the fear that one of their opponents has an unfair advantage. We have learned a lot about scottish football (and the scottish psyche) from RTC and we owe it to ourselves and our game to put this knowledge to good use for the benefit of all.
    I genuinely thought that with the former RFC entering d3 would instil some humility and sporting ethics in their fans, but alas, this would not appear to be the case. All the more reason for fans of all clubs to always remember the legacy of RTC and that legacy is that we have a voice, it is the fans of our game that are the lifeblood of all teams and we have the ultimate power to change things. If it were not for RTC and the learned contributors to the RTC site, the former rangers would not be in D3 and anyone who believes this is not the case is a fool.
    This new site must be all inclusive and open to all, but it also needs to be policed effectively. RTC did a fine job with moderation and this has to be continued as effectively. If the follow on blog is to maintain its position of respect then transparency is a must also.
    RTC lit a fuse 18 months or so ago, but its now the job of the rest of us to maintain the infant flame and do what we can to ensure this flame never goes out thereby signifying a return to the dark days of the chosen, though misguided few dining on the succulent lamb of our devotion to the game that we all love.

  12. Jim says:

    Some other potential titles I wondered about :

    “Deidline” or “Deadline” (thanks D&D)

    “AndSmithMustScore” (to remind us of the football equivilant of the “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” character)

    “MoonbeamMedia”

    “Early Doors Of Perception” (for the intellectual footballer if that’s not an oxymoron – hi you, who ya calling a moron?)

    / Red Lichtie

  13. Logie says:

    I agree with comments about keeping continuity with what was created by RTC and contributors.

    Some thinking aloud….Perhaps RTC him/herself is merely stepping down from the responsibility of ‘servicing’ the bog with regular commentary on recent events in the RTC, which stimulated a further wave of contributions, but is sympathetic with the discussion (and vanguard of Internet bampottery) continuing…The FTT has yet to report and there are other threads of discussions alive and well and with much to play for.

    RTC had a simple core purpose which grew arms and legs. It strikes me that this format worked, and the discussion now is about our ‘purpose’. Some sharing of the regular blog commentary to move discussion on might be worthwhile (with RTC as guest poster?) I would love to see extended writing from the esteemed RTC cadre on a rolling basis.

    Is THE RTC Ltd too subtle? look forward to joining you on the journey…..as a participant and not voyeur this time!

  14. BELLAMY1 says:

    Apologies in advance just a.n.other name suggestion – Return The Credibility – ok I’ll shut up noo

  15. parttimearab says:

    One of the many things this blog should focus on is transparency.
    The need for transparent ownership of clubs (something, if I were a rangers fan, I’d be getting very exercised about right now).
    Transparency in the governance of our game, clubs have spent all summer hiding behind Reagan and Doncaster while attempting to make decisions with scant regard for the fans.
    If this blog can force some light to be shone in these dark corners then making it work will be a worthwhile effort.

  16. campsiejoe says:

    Listening to Speirs and Keevins, it’s obvious that the agenda of the MSM has not and will not change
    The myth of “punished enough” is still being peddled, and they are now preparing the ground for not imposing any sanctions if the use of dual contracts is proved

    When taken alongside Regan’s totally evasive interview, it is obvious that this fight against corruption is far from over
    At the moment, that primarily involves Sevco, but that won’t always be the case
    Whether it is via RTC or the new site, the fight has to go on

  17. twopanda bears says:

    How about RLC – Rangers Liquidation Case

    Liquidation may run for years
    Covers;

    • BDO
    • D+P
    • SDM/CW
    • Crown Office Criminal Investigations
    • Manipulation and power brokerage in the SPL, SFA
    • MSM not reporting anything inconvenient and for sure that`ll include the Liquidation and History
    • FTT
    • Technical and Legal aspects for our profs
    • Well everything really

    But content with any name selected – you’re a good bunch – well done PL!

  18. bayviewgold says:

    re the name debate, to be honest there is a fair amount of thrashing here, and i think this is partly because of the issues raised by quite a few others – namely the blog trying to be all things to all people, is it simply son of RTC or something else? the important point of RTC was that it was single minded and was after all a blog, it wasn’t a forum but a blog – a place where substantive articles addressing a subject were posted and allowed comments on those articles, it latterly became more of a forum and in this sense became a victim of its own success. I think a few comments here are trying to set this up to be a forum, but to be honest there are more than enough of those, to be successful it needs to be a blog as only then can issues be entertained in depth. However a blog puts strain on the content generators (e.g. PL) although guest posts can be used but without actual Blogs it will degenerate into an unfocused forum like all the others. I would love to see this be a success as there a lot of serious issues around scottish football (and football in general) that should be addressed but the question we need to ask is – how do the contributors take the content here and turn it into something that enables change? RTC succeeded by being in-depth and factual. My opinions or anyone else are just straws in the internet wind without facts and focus. I hope that this doesn’t wither and die like some posters have implied but without a rallying point of a solvable problem we are relegated to piano playing cats and nutters on r.ngersmedia, so what problem does SFC/SFM/SL/NFNF want to solve today? 🙂 oh yes the name – I have been involved in enough business startups and bands in my youth to realise that names are the bane of any discussion you can agonise for months over subtle influences etc – but in reality the RTC was succesful not because of the name, Scotslawthoughts is frankly not a name I would pick (apologies to PMcC – great blog!) and the beatles were succesful regardless of what they woudl have called themselves – so even though I have my feelings about the name, lets just have one and keep up the momentum. sorry for the long post.

  19. obsessionat says:

    I’ve just voted for Succulent Lamb as the blog’s title; everyone (friend, foe and neutral) knows what it represents i.e. it’s the raison d’etre of Rangers Tax Case and the antithesis of the Jabba led truth deniers.

  20. F.M. says:

    Suggestion for a name for this blog. FFT. Football Fans Together.

  21. obsessionat says:
    August 1, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    What about Jabba’s Pizza Hutt?
    only joking,

    The Fair Game.

    that’s my real suggestion.

  22. the fair game works on a couple of levels. anyone who tries to work a flanker would be fair game for the blog as well as all contributors looking for a fair game. it works for me.

  23. Reidy134 says:

    I think there has to be something within the ‘About’ section that shows the all inclusive nature of the blog. To succeed we need to continue to foster the spirit of unity that has been, for me, a part of what RTC has been about. I’ve enjoyed the mainly, friendly banter between posters and support shown to all clubs (obvious exception!) and would love for this to continue. Oh and the side issue of trying to get MSM to start reporting objectively, impartially and truthfully as well as seeing real justice done iro of any transgressions undertaken by Oldco.

  24. jammy dodger says:

    Any name which includes the name “Rangers” will be seen as divisive, and will give the MSM an excuse to dismiss this forum as just another anti- Rangers forum.

    The agenda has shifted significantly since RFC started up. Then, there was one issue, and that seemed to concern only one club. Now, we have all seen in plain sight,the breadth and depth of the corruption that eats at the heart of Scottish football. That corruption is, sadly, not confined to one club, but has infected the ruling bodies of the game.

    On the positive side, we have also seen inspiring examples of fearless integrity from the smaller clubs, Raith, Clyde, Annan and Stranraer stand out for me. So let’s not turn this into a CFC forum. Let’s provide a space for the real supporters of all the clubs in Scotland, large and small, and let’s be open to all views, even views that CFC people like me might find uncomfortable.

    We are all Scottish, this is about football. It is also about integrity, transparency, and the impartial application of a clear set of rules. These are all positive aspects, and I feel that we must find a name that captures the positives and avoids any negatives.

    I would suggest Scottish Football Integrity, because that name encapsulates both what we are interested in (Scottish Football, all of it) and what we want within that (Integrity). It is also a hard name to argue against, which will be important once success attracts the hostility of the pond life who masquerade as the MSM in this unfortunate land of ours.

    To finish my rant, a quote from the late Gore Vidal, very relevant to the Scottish MSM, which I picked up today on the BBC -“A writer must always tell the truth, unless he is a journalist.” Scotland’s MSM have comprehensively lived up to that maxim over the last 18 months. We, the real life’s blood of Scottish football, must challenge their vile lies at every turn. To me, that is RTC’s most important legacy.

  25. Vega says:

    You have a willing host, any number of potential names for the blog and an enthusiastic collection of readers/participants.

    How long before we get the first intallment so we can see whether this venture is going to sink or swim?

    I suspect at that point it may be realised that the recent lack of new posts on RTC was down to a shortage of new information relevant to the blog and not a waning in the hosts enthusiasm.

    Without the contacts and credibility RTC had built up how is this blog going to produce anything close to the same quality?

  26. wolfman says:

    Something wrong with the final poll thingy.If you vote then refresh,you get to vote again and again as many times as you want.I’ve went for Scottish Football Monitor 10 times already!………percentage keeps going up……..just thot I’d let you know.

  27. wolfman says:

    Looks like it’s fixed now.

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